# ElvisL1ves: You suck **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 1, 2008, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376 "2008-06-01T19:09:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/21 "2008-06-01T23:11:57Z")
AUGGGGHGHGHGHG!!! I have vowed not to engage him again in GD, because I simply cannot maintain the quality of courtesy necessary for GD in the face of his stone wall of a brain. From the [Fork Hillary 4](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9860211#post9860211) thread, in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9860211&postcount=2199) post: > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Unless they vote the other way, then their opinions are worth only half, or whatever other fraction it takes to keep them from mattering. There are only two options I can imagine here. Either he is lying deliberately and shamelessly, or he is a genuine idiot. For anyone to come away with an impression that the FL/MI debacle was somehow hanging off of Obama’s unwillingness to concede any delegates to Clinton, after all the news and discussion that we and a hundred other left-wing blogs have engaged in for the last six months at least, is either stupid or disingenuous. Obama actually GAVE Clinton more delegates in Michigan than he had to…the man had the votes on the committee for a 50/50 split and decided to (attempt to) mollify Clinton by allowing her a majority. The FL/MI sanctions were about two states who deliberately broke the rules that were set for over a year before the primaries ever began. The committee that voted to sanction those states had a majority of Clinton supporters on it. Clinton **didn’t care** about their votes until it looked like she was losing. She actually said, explicitly, about Michigan, “It’s clear, this election their having is not going to count for anything.” Now, it’s somehow Obama’s fault. Not only is it somehow Obama’s fault, but according to **Elvis** , it’s equivalent to slavery (from [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9857954&postcount=2115) in that same thread): > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Under the Constitution, slaves were worth 3/5. MI and FL voters, not quite that much. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/22 "2008-06-01T23:12:36Z")
Those who can, debate. Those who can’t, pit. But those who can’t \*pit \*? 😃 Thanks for offering the additional evidence, people, but none was needed, really. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/23 "2008-06-01T23:20:21Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] **Zebra** - he won’t stop here for more than a quick drive-by post, so this thread won’t exactly feed him. [/QUOTE] Good call. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/24 "2008-06-01T23:42:04Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Those who can, debate. Those who can’t, pit. But those who can’t \*pit \*? 😃 Thanks for offering the additional evidence, people, but none was needed, really. [/QUOTE] You haven’t debated shit, just been a general fucktool. You haven’t pitted, either, so where does that leave you? Seriously, when are you gunna drop the, “I’m a cunt” facade and go back to the person **Q.E.D** gives a glowing recommendation for do to their jet engine design work? (Two of my favorite professors worked for G.E. and Pratt-Whittney designing engines. I learned a lot from them, and gained a great deal of respect for the profession. I’d really enjoy picking your brain on those topics. This one? Not so much. ☹ ) ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/25 "2008-06-01T23:49:33Z")
:: steps away from the politics :: ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/26 "2008-06-02T00:17:09Z")
Elvis designs jet engines? Well, no wonder he’s so good at blowing hot air. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/27 "2008-06-02T00:21:28Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Those who can, debate. Those who can’t, pit. But those who can’t \*pit \*? 😃 Thanks for offering the additional evidence, people, but none was needed, really. [/QUOTE] Posting in GD does not mean you are actually debating. ---
**Author:** ![Gozu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gozu/32/6615_2.png) [@Gozu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/28 "2008-06-02T00:23:20Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Those who can, debate. Those who can’t, pit. But those who can’t \*pit \*? 😃 Thanks for offering the additional evidence, people, but none was needed, really. [/QUOTE] You still suck. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/29 "2008-06-02T00:34:27Z")
[QUOTE=Gozu] You still suck. [/QUOTE] He’s the suck that suck points at and laughs. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/30 "2008-06-02T00:34:39Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] the other is convinced that Barack Obama farts moonbeams and can heal lepers with a smile. [/QUOTE] No, that would be Mary Richards. She can also take a nothing day, and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile. Get your facts straight, would ya? [QUOTE=Bosstone] . . . Honestly, just because **Shayna** is enthusiastic doesn’t mean she’s insane. She backs her position up with cites constantly, and has for months. For some reason this goes completely unnoticed and she gets equivocated with the one who doesn’t respond to cites or otherwise reinterprets them until they say what he wants. Remember the thread where she invited the Clinton supporters to list her major accomplishments in the Senate? She provided plenty of Obama’s, then provided those of Clinton’s where she did little more than name libraries, then asked for more from others. She got ridiculed and mocked, but nobody ever actually stepped up to her challenge. [/QUOTE] Thanks, **Boss**. You really are the boss! 🙂 [QUOTE=cricetus] And leave Shayna out of it. It’s not about ardent support for a candidate. It’s about being a contemptuous, illogical, snotty little pisser about it, which Shayna hasn’t done, and Elvis has done to a point that even parodists would balk at. [/QUOTE] Thank you, too, **cricetus**! You really know how to make my wheel turn. 😉 [QUOTE=RickJay] Shayna can be a bit irritating in her I-live-only-for-Barack-Obama partisan obsession, but she seems sincere, and supports a lot of her claims with objective evidence. [/QUOTE] You seem sincere, as well, so in spite of the mild insult, thank you, too. If you made an honest assessment of my participation on these boards, you would recognize that I don’t live only for Obama – I still participate in several other forums on many other topics. Nor would I call my Obama support obsessive, which is evident in the fact that I don’t even participate in every thread there is about Obama or this election. I will tell you, however, exactly why I do participate to the extent that I do here. [This post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9827250&postcount=39): > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Obsidian** _ > > I remember a reading a quote right on this message board that turned me on to Obama. It was this one: > > > [@](#): > > > > "Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all > > I remember reading that and thinking. . . Holy shit, I think this dude actually _thinks_ about the issues and their ramifications and considers the perspective of others. I believe that he believes that, it’s not just his “don’t rock the boat” party line. As a member of the apathetic “youth vote”, it was the first time I thought a politician might not be just another talking head. The more I read and the more I saw of him, the more I felt this way. I think he could actually do something useful, maybe even bring the country back together a little and heal the big, ugly rift we’ve made with the rest of the world. > > I desperately wanted there to be an honorable man in the White House. I wanted a statesman. I wanted someone who I felt was way smarter than me. Who won’t embarrass the country. I just didn’t think that person existed. I’m a democrat, but I didn’t vote for Gore or Kerry so much as I voted against Bush. I don’t think I’ve ever cast a vote that wasn’t “I suppose this one will do”, until I sent my ballot for Obama in the CA primary. He’s the first person I’ve ever wanted to vote _for_. > > I have no patience for politicians and generally can’t stand politics, but I want to send him money, put a sign on my lawn. . . and I can’t believe I want these things. I can’t believe he’s made me and so many other people like me care. > > I think he’s the Real Thing, and we are so badly in need of that at this point in time. > > (FWIW, my father, a registered, politically active moderate Republican and a quiet but deep-seated racist, is voting for Obama. “Yeah, I know what I usually say,” he told me, “But even I know a Great Man when I see one.” If he can reach my Dad, maybe there is really hope of reaching across the aisle.) Which was followed by [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9827714&postcount=46): > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **cosmosdan** _ > > Really enjoyed this post. Thanks. I remember that quote and how impressed I was at the accuracy of his thought process. I’ll give you three guesses [who posted that quote originally on this board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9338957&postcount=25). As Barack Obama says, [your voice can change the world](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmUUYo9o9eg). But to bring this back to the actual topic of the thread, even when you skip the “debating” part and just stick to answering simple ‘yes’ or ‘no’ questions by Elvis, he still manages to find a way to post utterly insane, retarded replies, [eg](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=469911&page=4&pp=50): **ElvisL1ves** : "That change has been remarkably rapid, extensive, and unfortunately timed, then. Quite remarkably, indeed. You can understand the basis some may have for suspecting that there has been no real change at all, can’t you?" **Shayna** : “No” **ElvisL1ves** : “Shayna, I realize that a statement from Obama himself is entirely satisfactory evidence to you, but do you think it is, or even should be, to everyone?” **Shayna** : “Yes” **ElvisL1ves** : "One gives such absolute belief to a religious prophet, not a politician. Which is he?"Really, I just don’t have the patience to argue against such inanity. No one should have to. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/31 "2008-06-02T00:36:19Z")
[QUOTE=Gozu] You still suck. [/QUOTE] [Like a jet engine.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Oub-EZVDs) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/32 "2008-06-02T01:08:15Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] It became so maddening trying to have an honest debate with him, that I had to literally bite my tongue and move past his posts in order to keep my own sanity. He contradicts himself from post to post, makes declarations of having made arguments he never made, ignores anything and everything that proves him wrong and condescendingly tells everyone they should read the thread or do this or that, as if he were doing so, when in fact he’s not. It’s like going in great big circles trying to talk with him. I’ve begun to think he’s mentally retarded. [/QUOTE] The irony, it burns! :rolleyes: The googles, dey do nutink! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/33 "2008-06-02T01:13:41Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] The irony, it burns! :rolleyes: The googles, dey do nutink! 😛 [/QUOTE] Bless your heart. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/34 "2008-06-02T01:16:49Z")
In his defense, he’s been subdued enough as a troll to last for eight years without being banned. Say whatever else, the man has a clear talent (or has pictures of Cecil filching a goat.) ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/35 "2008-06-02T01:38:54Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] [Like a jet engine.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Oub-EZVDs) [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Elvis designs jet engines? Well, no wonder he’s so good at blowing hot air. [/QUOTE] Hey, cock smokes, I put in a parenthetical to point out that even though somebody the majority of us disagree with still has great things he can bring to the community. Go shove a jet engine up your asses. And some explosives, while you’re at it, as that’s my engineering discipline of choice. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/36 "2008-06-02T01:40:45Z")
[QUOTE=Sage Rat] In his defense, he’s been subdued enough as a troll to last for eight years without being banned. Say whatever else, the man has a clear talent (or has pictures of Cecil filching a goat.) [/QUOTE] He’s not a troll. He’s just a dick. He actually believes that he (and those on his side I suppose) are the only actual debaters in the forum. Everyone else is simply not intelligent enough to understand the true value of his posts. The only talent he has is skating the not quite insulting enough for a warning. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/37 "2008-06-02T01:45:40Z")
Santo, I admit, I went for the obvious shot. But I’ve also pointed out that there _is_ a capable individual behind the tag, he just doesn’t seem to want to apply anything more than polished rhetoric to a debate, making his commentary content-free. I am not surprised that Elvis works in a technically and intellectually demanding field. I’d love to hear him discourse on something where he actually has something to say, rather than his current field of nothing. But yes, I do have the weakness of going for the obvious and cheap one-liner. Better now than in some serious debate later. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/38 "2008-06-02T02:15:34Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] polished rhetoric [/QUOTE] Is that what he’s calling them now? ---
**Author:** ![Omegaman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e480ec/32.png) [@Omegaman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omegaman)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/39 "2008-06-02T03:02:25Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Elvis designs jet engines? Well, no wonder he’s so good at blowing hot air. [/QUOTE] Doesn’t that explain it all? Designers forget their scribblings are just that, without the knuckle busters to make that shit fly. 😃 Let his light head take him aloft. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376/40 "2008-06-02T03:06:34Z")
[QUOTE=Harborwolf] He’s just a dick. [/QUOTE] yep. but the OP still owes us more than > [@](#): > > Everybody who reads your crap in GD knows. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/elvisl1ves-you-suck/451376.md?page=3)