# Embassy Bomber Killed! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 12, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196 "2011-06-12T04:57:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/21 "2011-06-12T23:26:14Z")
How many damned leaders do these bad guys have? Every time I look around another leader has been snuffed somewhere or the other and I can’t see that it makes any damn difference at all. New leaders pop up like sharks teeth. ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/22 "2011-06-12T23:52:08Z")
> [@LouisB](#): > > How many damned leaders do these bad guys have? Every time I look around another leader has been snuffed somewhere or the other and I can’t see that it makes any damn difference at all. New leaders pop up like sharks teeth. Well, duh…turnover is pretty high. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/23 "2011-06-13T00:55:29Z")
So it is decided. The Somali government is more effective than the Pakistani government. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/24 "2011-06-13T01:03:15Z")
Wrong way of looking at it. The Pakistani government is quite effective at _doing what it wants to do,_ which is to _shelter_ Bin Laden and keep him safe from the US. At that, they succeeded for many years. And I am sure that if they had _wanted_ to catch Bin Laden and give him to us, they would have done it. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/25 "2011-06-13T01:43:40Z")
> [@](#): > > "Mr. Mohammed, who was one of the most wanted men in Africa and had a $5 million bounty on his head from the United States government, and another militant mistakenly drove up to a checkpoint run by Somali government soldiers late on Tuesday night. I have no idea how these types of international rewards work, but in the U.S. I’m pretty sure that police and other LEOs aren’t eligible to collect such rewards, since it’s their job to catch the bad guys. So, I wonder if the Somali soldier is gonna get paid. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/26 "2011-06-13T01:57:04Z")
From the AP account I saw today, the Somalis did not even know who he was when they killed him. They had to dig him back up and compare his face to pictures to confirm it after they found a huge cache of money and operational materials in his effects. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/27 "2011-06-13T02:02:47Z")
I find it curious that the government of Somalia had no qualms about how his body was treated while the US tried at every turn to treat Bin Laden’s corpse with Islamic customs. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/28 "2011-06-13T02:05:12Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Hum. Seems _we_ had to step in and handle the “sanitation” process for the 2 Pakistan events, but the Somali’s got to do this one on their own. 'Sup with that Pakistan? Well Somalis have pirates, sorta like the Japanese have ninjas, they are bound to become a world power. This is just the first step. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/29 "2011-06-13T02:12:19Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > I have no idea how these types of international rewards work, but in the U.S. I’m pretty sure that police and other LEOs aren’t eligible to collect such rewards, since it’s their job to catch the bad guys. So, I wonder if the Somali soldier is gonna get paid. We should pay. Folks in the Mountains of Afghanistan already don’t believe we will ever pay a bounty. Pay the Somali and then start putting bounties on the heads of Somali warlords. These guys will stare down the barrel of an aircraft carrier for a few million bucks. I bet a credible bounty could make a difference in that part of the world. ---
**Author:** ![pikey\_pete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pikey\_pete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pikey_pete)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/30 "2011-06-13T02:29:30Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > [Here](http://postimage.org/image/s61r46x0/) is the Somali soldier who delivered the fatal shot. He was subsequently promoted to Colonel. dude…I want that shirt ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/31 "2011-06-13T03:00:01Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Wrong way of looking at it. The Pakistani government is quite effective at _doing what it wants to do,_ which is to _shelter_ Bin Laden and keep him safe from the US. At that, they succeeded for many years. And I am sure that if they had _wanted_ to catch Bin Laden and give him to us, they would have done it. Bingo. No way the Pakis didn’t know he was there. I imagine the US knew he was there for quite a while too, but the Pakis weren’t going to give him up. Pakistan must be getting a shitload of money from the US to pretend they want us to do well in the war on terror. I don’t mind a wrong turn now and then. Luck is a great thing to have on your side. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/32 "2011-06-13T20:34:16Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > [Here](http://postimage.org/image/s61r46x0/) is the Somali soldier who delivered the fatal bullet. Gunsights? We don’t need no stinkin’ gunsights! ---
**Author:** ![wisernow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@wisernow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wisernow)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/33 "2011-06-13T21:24:02Z")
[QUOTE=The news report] An American official said that the United States identified Mr. Mohammed’s body through DNA analysis. The official would not say what DNA the United States used to compare with the body’s. [/QUOTE] They did the same for OBL. But won’t say what they used for this comparison? Why? Doesn’t it have to be some tissue of his body, saliva, hair whatever that is needed to do a test? How did they get that for Osama and then for this guy too? ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/34 "2011-06-13T21:31:02Z")
> [@wisernow](#): > > Doesn’t it have to be some tissue of his body, saliva, hair whatever that is needed to do a test? How did they get that for Osama and then for this guy too? Osama’s was compared to that of his family members. The bin Ladin’s are a very large family, and several of them are pretty hostile to their famous relation and gave samples to the US gov’t shortly after 9/11 to help identify Osama should he be killed during the Afghanistan invasion. Dunno about Faisel, but I’d suspect the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![wisernow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@wisernow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wisernow)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/35 "2011-06-14T14:30:51Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Osama’s was compared to that of his family members. The bin Ladin’s are a very large family, and several of them are pretty hostile to their famous relation and gave samples to the US gov’t shortly after 9/11 to help identify Osama should he be killed during the Afghanistan invasion. > > Dunno about Faisel, but I’d suspect the same thing. Isn’t DNA like a fingerprint, only better in that no two individual’s DNAs are identical? If that is true, then how would the DNA samples from family members help identify that the man killed was Osama and none other but him? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/36 "2011-06-14T16:00:52Z")
i believe the DNA of identical twins is identical. So in that sense, it is less discriminating than fingerprints, which won’t be identical for twins. DNA is genetically inherited material. So parents pass on very similar DNA to their children, enough so that you can tell their children from others’ children. You can also tell more distant family relationships, though I don’t know the details well enough to say how specific the relationships can be defined. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/37 "2011-06-14T16:07:47Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Wrong way of looking at it. The Pakistani government is quite effective at _doing what it wants to do,_ which is to _shelter_ Bin Laden and keep him safe from the US. At that, they succeeded for many years. And I am sure that if they had _wanted_ to catch Bin Laden and give him to us, they would have done it. I think that if you’re talking about what “the Pakistani government” wants as if everyone in the government wants the same thing, you don’t know that much about Pakistan. > [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Bingo. No way the Pakis didn’t know he was there. I imagine the US knew he was there for quite a while too, but the Pakis weren’t going to give him up. Pakistan must be getting a shitload of money from the US to pretend they want us to do well in the war on terror. Most people figured he was in Pakistan, and see above. Aside from which, “Pakis” is often considered offensive. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/38 "2011-06-14T16:41:35Z")
> [@wisernow](#): > > Isn’t DNA like a fingerprint, only better in that no two individual’s DNAs are identical? If that is true, then how would the DNA samples from family members help identify that the man killed was Osama and none other but him? You can use mitochondrial DNA\*, which is inherited only through the mother, or Y chromosome DNA\*\*, which is inherited only through the father, to minimize the problem of genes being inherited from both parents and engaging in recombination to muck things up. \*Notably used to identify the remains of Czar Nicholas II and family \*\*Notably used to bolster the argument that that Thomas Jefferson fathered at least some of Sally Hemming’s kids, as at least one Hemmings descendant had DNA from Thomas Jefferson’s male line, which also eliminated his maternal cousins the Carrs, who had been the main alternative fathers, as contenders ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/39 "2011-06-14T19:20:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Most people figured he was in Pakistan, and see above. Aside from which, “Pakis” is often considered offensive. Not “often”. It’s British Pakistanis, and only British Pakistanis, that consider it offensive. Can we stop trying to spread that to America, please? It can’t possibly do any good. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/embassy-bomber-killed/585196/40 "2011-06-14T19:25:19Z")
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