# Emilia Clarke, nudity, GOT, contracts, etc. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605 "2016-05-12T14:11:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/101 "2016-05-14T17:32:01Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > No, but the thing is once you agree that you noticed it but it’s not really important and Clarke was well within her legal, professional, moral, and ethical rights to do it, then where does the conversation go from there? So far it has been little more than a repetition of the same points. I think this issue lies at an intersection of a bunch of overlapping and competing interests, and is interesting to discuss. What are the benefit(s) of having nudity in the first place? What’s the difference between how nude scenes are perceived now vs 20 years ago? What does the use of body doubles accomplish? Issues of nudity are clearly different than other demanding things that an actor might or might not want to do, but why? And what if anything are the limits of those differences? To what extent is it possible for men who are purely consumers of this entertainment to discuss this issue without falling into some form of “mansplaining”? Etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![tonyfop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@tonyfop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tonyfop)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/102 "2016-05-16T02:02:29Z")
Well, this discussion is now moot… ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/103 "2016-05-16T02:04:31Z")
Those who worship the God of Tits and Wine should be happy now. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/104 "2016-05-16T02:05:41Z")
Oh come on, it wasn’t her. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/105 "2016-05-16T02:08:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Oh come on, it wasn’t her. A lot of people have said it doesn’t matter if it was a body double. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/106 "2016-05-16T02:10:39Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Oh come on, it wasn’t her. It really matters to you? They must be Emilia’s tits or no go? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/107 "2016-05-16T02:17:03Z")
Well it certainly does not make any discussion moot. And the obvious CGI makes scenes like that more distracting than they should be. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/108 "2016-05-16T02:18:36Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well it certainly does not make any discussion moot. And the obvious CGI makes scenes like that more distracting than they should be. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/109 "2016-05-16T02:19:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well it certainly does not make any discussion moot. And the obvious CGI makes scenes like that more distracting than they should be. So the answer really is Emilia MUST show her tits to me or I’m gonna bitch. I will refrain from saying what I think of this argument because I’d like to remain civil. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/110 "2016-05-16T02:23:23Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > So the answer really is Emilia MUST show her tits to me or I’m gonna bitch. I will refrain from saying what I think of this argument because I’d like to remain civil. I have not said absolutely anything like that, I just disagreed with people who said the discussion is now pointless because they showed some CGI tits instead. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/111 "2016-05-16T02:35:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > I have not said absolutely anything like that, I just disagreed with people who said the discussion is now pointless because they showed some CGI tits instead. It was noticeable mainly because we’ve seen the real Emilia before, and because people are aware of the controversy. There wasn’t similar objection to Lena Headey’s use of a body double, even though that scene was much more prolonged and obvious. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/112 "2016-05-16T02:37:15Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It was noticeable mainly because we’ve seen the real Emilia before, and because people are aware of the controversy. There wasn’t similar objection to Lena Heady’s use of a body double, even though that scene was much more prolonged and obvious. There was also the same weirdness with the neck that you could see in the Cersei scene, although not quite as noticeable since Dany was just standing there. ---
**Author:** ![starryspice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9e8a1a/32.png) [@starryspice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/starryspice)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/113 "2016-05-16T02:49:06Z")
> [@tonyfop](#): > > …However, the scene in question involved her having her stately robes removed as a sign of humiliation. It was a powerful use of nudity to advance the story, so when they used odd angles, and only showed her from the neck up, it brought me out of the scene and made me think, “Oh yeah, she doesn’t do nudes anymore”. At least for me, it brought me out of the scene… Huh, that’s weird. It didn’t bring me out of the scene at all. Maybe it’s because I don’t (usually) spend my free time reading about actor contracts, but I honestly didn’t even think about it, I just watched the scene and watched her face as she learned that her fate was in the balance. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/114 "2016-05-16T03:46:55Z")
This was a scene were nudity was almost obligatory. Emerging form the fire fully-clad would’ve been stupid, especially considering the original Khal Drogo scene. It wasn’t necessary to show the nudity, it could’ve been implied through creative shooting, but it was well done. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/115 "2016-05-16T08:16:51Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Oh come on, it wasn’t her. It was her. > [@](#): > > But before any assumptions are made about Clarke’s participation in the scene, there’s something the actress wants everybody to know. “I’d like to remind people the last time I took my clothes off was season 3,” she says. “That was awhile ago. It’s now season 6. But this is all me, all proud, all strong. I’m just feeling genuinely happy I said ‘Yes.’ That ain’t no body double!” > **['Game of Thrones': Emilia Clarke on that epic nude scene](https://ew.com/article/2016/05/15/game-thrones-emilia-clarke-dany/)** > > 'This is all me, all proud, all strong. That ain't no body double' ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/116 "2016-05-16T10:15:39Z")
Well, thank god she had that clause in her contract so we don’t focus on her breasts and remember she’s an actress. What? Lucky for her that conveying a feel of royalty can involve a bit of woodenness - and being surrounded by spectacle and good acting doesn’t hurt. She reminds me of Andie MacDowell in _Sex, Lies and Viedeotape_, or January Jones in _Mad Men_. Her inabilities _just_ fit the role just well enough. And the occasional flash an HBO bonus. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/117 "2016-05-16T11:53:33Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Well it certainly does not make any discussion moot. And the obvious CGI makes scenes like that more distracting than they should be. I didn’t notice the CGI. In fact I rarely do. However, I was distracted, precisely because of this thread. During the final scene, I was wondering if it was a body double or not, searching for seams, etc…something I wouldn’t have noticed or wondered about if we weren’t having this argument. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/118 "2016-05-16T11:58:34Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > There was also the same weirdness with the neck that you could see in the Cersei scene, although not quite as noticeable since Dany was just standing there. > [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > It was her. So, in fact, I wasn’t blind and people aren’t actually able to tell whether it’s a body double or not. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/119 "2016-05-16T12:09:56Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > So, in fact, I wasn’t blind and people aren’t actually able to tell whether it’s a body double or not. If the scene looked odd in any way (and it did just a tad to me as well), I think it’s likely because she was in fact in front of a CGI inferno background. So there probably was CGI, but it was the inferno behind her, not her body. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2016, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605/120 "2016-05-16T12:42:09Z")
In fact, I have a general problem with how nudity and sex is given such a ludicrously exagerated importance (not just in movies). It seems to me that our societies are completely nevrotic about it. And it works both way. Nudity was essentially required in this episode’s last scene. The widling gilr’s attempt to seduce Ramsay makes complete sense. That people could be bothered by that seems absurd. Ok, most people still watching GoT presumably aren’t, especially people posting on this “open-minded” board. But plenty have been bothered by the quasi-rape scene and the marital rape scene, for instance (but mysteriously not much by the first sex scene between Danaerys and Drogo 😕 ), and thought that such scenes shouldn’t be shown. What did they expect given the settings and the characters involved? And how comes marital rape should be censored in a show that doesn’t shy from showing people flayed, and kids hung or burned alive (on top of it, by “good” characters, even)? It seems absolutely non-sentical to me. As I wrote, nevrotic. If you can handle your favorite hero hanging a kid (maybe even cheers when he does so), think that burning one’s own daughter alive makes sense from a specific character’s point of view, believe that another character can redeem himself after throwing a third kid out of a window, how can you be shocked when seeing a totally expected marital rape by a known sadist (and in fact it wasn’t even shown, just heard)? On the other hand, the scene with ambassadors being offered women was ludicrous and distracting. Why would Tyrion do such a thing? Especially knowing that the people he rules are going to be incensed by this action? Why would we believe for an instant that very important people coming to discuss matters of peace and war, of the preservation of their society would get distracted or influenced by being handed pretty girls to fuck (especially since they all have tons of slaves they can fuck whenever they want, it’s not like they must be highly frustrated). That’s IMO obviously intended to appeal to the prurient interest of the _viewers_ (and presumably _their_ frustation). It’s a filming trick. An obvious one. As distracting as the L-shaped sheets, for opposite reasons (or rather, for the same reason : that’s sex). Similarly, why the fuck is Missandei going around wearing armored bras? It’s such a fantasy cliche. You can’t not notice it. There’s no valid reason to dress her like that except appealing to teenager gamers, I guess. And I don’t even dislike this cliche. I understand that it’s appealing. But there are tons of drawings and even pictures of “warrior princesses” in chainmail bra and loincloth around the web. You can create them in your favorite CRPG if you feel like it. What’s the need to put them in the middle of a show, distracting everybody who doesn’t care about Missandei bellybutton and would rather see the story unfold? I’m totally fine with nudity and sex in a show. But this show (like all others, in fact) doesn’t hand it well. Half of the time at least (probably more than that, in fact), nudity and sex feel contrived, and, as many people have said, distracting. Either because they aren’t shown when they should or (more often) because they are shown when there’s no reason why they should. The whole thing is very awkward. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/emilia-clarke-nudity-got-contracts-etc/754605.md?page=7)