I’m sorry that you’re injecting your own prejudices to to what I wrote and completely misinterpreting it.
If someone comes to me and says “You know, I promised this thing A, but I really would like to not do that, but keep getting the money you agreed to give me in exchange…” my response would be “I’m glad you brought this to me, so I can find someone else who actually keeps their word. Goodbye.”
Basically, if you make a deal, and don’t keep the deal, why should I make a second deal with you? You’re only going to keep it as long as its convenient for you, so I have no incentive to make the revised deal with you.
But of course it’s never that simple. Suppose you make a deal with someone, and work together for years, and it’s mostly profitable and beneficial for both of you, and then they come back and say “hey, I know I signed a contract, but I’d really like to modify clause X”, where X is something medium important, but not crucial. You’re saying you would just immediately cease all business with this person, no matter what, just on principle? That seems like a bit, shall we say, given the current discussion, draconic.
In any case, I’m laughing my head off at everyone who was talking about the obvious CGI and the funny thing wrong with her neck and so forth. Just proves my long-standing theory that people’s ability to determine what is or is not CGI is vastly less precise than they think it is.
Perhaps the producers of this highly successful series work at a more sophisticated level than you do when negotiating (say) yard work. Probably lawyers & agents were involved.
The result: The actress will still go nude when it’s important to the story.
Sounds like Clarke is totally fine with nudity when it serves an important point in the plot, but she’s averse to nudity when it has no point in the story (like when she’s having a conversation in bed).
I don’t care about the issue. Ms Clarke can do what she likes, and if the entire GoT were to shrink to pre-watershed style non-nudity and low level gore it wouldn’t bother me in the least. However, given the discussion from last week I had a closer look when the nude scene came on and her neck really looks weird, in a way that it doesn’t in her earlier scenes. If she says it’s her, it’s her but before that I’d have been pretty sure there was a skillful but not perfect paste job.
Right. The lighting on her doesn’t exactly match the background because her nude scenes were filmed on a closed set rather then on location in Spain. Obviously the scene has to be partially CGI in order to have her emerging from the flames.
There’s nothing odd about her neck, since it’s all her. People complaining about obvious CGI “takes them out of the show” must be being taken out of it every ten minutes, since CGI is used extensively in every battle scene, the scenes with dragons, any large buildings or cities, beheadings, etc., etc., etc. It’s also used to correct for minor discrepancies like Jorah having a bloodshot eye from a previous injury during the pit fights.
Agreed. That’s part of what makes it so silly when people complain so much about CGI. CGI is used for so much these days, so much of which is completely invisible. For instance, color correction.
But the only reason you would have even thought to look was that you were aware of the previous discussion and that that kind of CGI had been used in Headey’s scene. So this would confirm that people often really can’t tell unless it’s pointed out to them.
In his review of CAPTAIN AMERICA, Roger Ebert notes that he thought Chris Evans was CGI’ed to look so muscular – and was surprised to learn that, no, they only used it to make Evans look skinny in the early scenes; he’d just assumed, upon seeing a special effect that looked “seamlessly” real, that reality itself was a special effect!
The scene was very obviously CGI. Even if she was nude (which I have no reason to doubt) she was not standing nude in the midst of a raging inferno; the character is fireproof, the actress is not. Also, since apparently the nude parts of her scene were filmed in Belfast, the shot of her nude in front of the Khalasar was also CGI
I admit I thought she used a body double because, like Cersei’s walk of shame (which did use a body double), there was some weirdness with the neck/collarbone.
Specifically, her collarbone, especially her left shoulder - there actually looks like there’s a chunk of flesh missing. But it could well just be from CGI’ing the flame in behind her rather than a body double.
You said she had the right to renegotiate her contract. She did. By the information linked to above it seemed that she renegotiated a contract that started for six seasons and included nudity into one for seven seasons with no more nudity, or perhaps giving her control over whether and under what conditions she will do nudity. Either side of a contract can reopen negotiations at any time. It’s quite possible the producers restarted negotiations with her because they wanted that contract extension. She might have accepted the contract extension only if she didn’t have to do nudity after season 3. Thus, the producers decided that having Emilia Clarke in the role through season 7 was worth more than having her and her breasts only through season 6. There is no suggestion anywhere that she broke any deal, except in your head.
If it were the case that the producers reopened negotiations to get her to sign for a seventh season, would you say they broke some uncrossable line by renegotiating to bind her to the show for an extra year? If so, should Ms. Clarke have refused to make a second deal with the pronunciation any terms? What if a coworker says he wants a raise? Should the company automatically fire anyone who has the audacity to ask for one?
You seem personally aggrieved that she broke some contract and you are offended on the producer’s behalf. Trust me, they don’t feel taken advantage of-it’s business. If they wanted to get rid of her, they probably could.
This is not the way the world works. I take it you are not in business of any kind. Renegotiating deals is common in all kinds of business, for all kinds of reasons, not just show business.
It sort of reminds me of all the gnashing of teeth by fans when an NFL player holds out. Teams can void a player’s contract at any time for any reason, but as soon as a player tries to hold out for more money all of a sudden people think their contract is sacrosanct.
You are absolutely correct. Personally, I think the time to “renegotiate” is when an old deal expires and you wish to make a new deal, both sides having fulfilled the old deal completely. I acknowledge that that’s not a stance that is compatible with the way the business world works.
Why go thru the effort to create a legally binding agreement if it’s basically a fiction? Now, I could see arguments for an original agreement that has room for modification built in, or making a secondary agreement on top of an original agreement - but if the original agreement is broken, whatever penalties were written into it should be invoked.
So in this case, hypothetical actor wants to modify her contract. As a hypothetical producer, I have a couple of options. I can refuse, holding her to the original terms. I can refuse, allowing her to terminate employment subject to penalties. Or I can acquiesce, because… reasons? I mean, I guess I can envision a scenario where the producer decided they needed something else from the actor - additional seasons of commitment that they might not otherwise get. I can get those seasons in exchange for the adjustment the actor wants. But I have to weigh that against the headache caused by everyone wanting to renegotiate all the time once they discover that I am willing. Including the same actor, who could come back the very next day, wanting to renegotiate yet again.
I like loyalty, reliability, finality. So really, the latter is almost never an appealing option for me unless there’s something I desperately need that I forgot to put in the original contract. So my good options are to refuse and hold the actor to her contract, or refuse and fire them.
So let’s go from hypothetical to the example at hand. Emilia wants to do less nudity. She’s uncomfortable. Do I force an actress to do nudity against her will? Jesus fuck, no. So my one good option is to wish her well, fire her, and re-cast.
