The post that I linked to touched on that. There’s nothing preventing the pilot from pushing the thrust levers forward, but are they trained to do that when executing a go-around, or are they trained to hit the TOGA buttons and trust them to provide the needed power? This could be one of those cases of too much reliance on automation and not enough training and practice at hand flying the airplane.
I think I saw the same video here. It’s a montage of several different videos. I’d like to see the raw versions of all of them. It really bugged me that the first clip (shot out of a window over the wing during landing) was cut off RIGHT WHEN THE PLANE TOUCHED THE RUNWAY!!! (@ 1:21) Why would you do that? That is the key moment!!!
Secondly, and far more infuriating (because it was life or death), was what** bb49** mentioned: the passengers retrieving their carry-ons !!:smack:
:mad: And it wasn’t just SOME people… it looks like* every single passenger* was getting their baggage down just like it was a normal landing!! Unbelievable!!
Even worse, I neither saw nor heard any evidence of flight attendants kicking ass, yelling directions at the luggage-loving cretins, and shoving people onto the chutes. Finally, (@ 2:49 – 55 seconds* after the clip of the idiot luggage-grabbers starts!!) I hear what might be a flight attendant yelling for people to leave their bags. I can’t really understand what he is saying though.
The behavior of the passengers is maddening. But the apparent non-action by the cabin crew is inexcusable. Criminal, really.
- I can’t know how much time elapsed between the plane’s touch down and when that clip started, but I know it’s at least 55 second until someone starts telling people to leave their bags.
FIFTY-FIVE SECONDS! Nearly a minute! Aren’t passenger jets required to be able to completely evacuate in 90 seconds? And they received no direction (AFAIK) until 2/3 of that time had elapsed??
Yes it certainly could be. The fact is, I suppose, that when an accident happens there is often some kind of break down in procedures or training behind it. Where I fly we are required to follow through the controls and thrust levers while at low altitude so we have some feedback about what the aeroplane is doing and so we can rapidly fix things if it’s not doing what we think it should be doing. This is a basic airmanship thing really but not everyone is trained the same way, not everyone does what they are trained to do, and hundreds or thousands of flying hours at a time with nothing untoward happening can breed complacency.
On the subject of the evacuation, a few thoughts.
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An evacuation is a risky event so it is not necessarily the best thing to order one immediately. There can be some time between coming to a complete stop and the flight crew doing what they need to do and assessing the situation as requiring an evacuation. At the very least the engines need to be shut down. The requirement for 90 seconds to evacuate is from the evacuation order, not from the aircraft touching down. All that said, if it is blatantly obvious that you need to get out then you don’t wait for the flight crew to give the command.
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The passengers on these flights are apparently relatively poor people who have come to work in Dubai. Their emotional attachment to what is in their hand luggage may be significantly more than what the typical middle class westerner has to theirs. In short their is a cultural barrier to overcome and it probably can’t be done in 90 seconds by the cabin crew.
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With number 2 in mind, it may be best to go with the flow rather than getting hung up on people taking the bags with them. No it shouldn’t happen but it’s not a problem that can be fixed in 90 seconds. There’s really nothing you can do to stop them taking their bags. You can debrief them afterwards and tell them they are idiots for taking their bags and they can nod and smile but they will probably never be in another evacuation so next time you’re dealing with another group of people trying to do the same thing.
I think the best you can do is highlight the problem in news reports etc and hope the message gets through.
A preliminary report has been issued here (PDF): https://www.gcaa.gov.ae/en/ePublication/admin/iradmin/Lists/Incidents%20Investigation%20Reports/Attachments/90/2016-2016%20-%20Preliminary%20Report,%20AAIS%20Case%20AIFN-0008-2016%20-%20A6-EMW.pdf
Here’s a brief summary:
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[li]The approach was normal with the captain flying and the FO monitoring.[/li][li]The landing was a bit long and the aircraft called “LONG LANDING” (I didn’t know they did that, cool!)[/li][li]A go-around was attempted after touchdown.[/li][li]The thrust levers were left at the idle position.[/li][li]Go-around flap was selected (presumably by the FO).[/li][li]The landing gear was retracted (also presumably by the FO).[/li][li]The aircraft climbed to 85’ and then started to sink with airspeed decreasing.[/li][li]Thrust levers were finally advanced to full power 12 seconds after the go-around was initiated and 3 seconds prior to impact.[/li][li]One second prior to impact the engines responded with increasing thrust.[/li][li]Bang.[/li][/ol]
In short, a failure to fly the aeroplane, possibly due to a misunderstanding about how the TOGA buttons work after landing (conjecture).
Further information that I think is interesting. The aircraft has 10 emergency exits. Of these, two were left closed due to smoke/fire outside, one had the slide detach and wasn’t used except by the captain and senior cabin crew after all passengers had evacuated, six were only used partially or not used at all due to the slides being affected by the wind and water, and the remaining exit was used for the duration but was on the same side as the fire so not ideal. Considering all of that it is remarkable that all passengers were evacuated in reasonable time.
Also with regards to the carry on bags:
Remember kids, make sure you know the location of your nearest exit and an alternate, and leave your bags behind!
Heh. It sounds like you missed the same step the aircrew did. 
Heh, Yeah I did didn’t I?
No. There have been a number similar crashes involving middle class Westerners and they grab their hand luggage as much as these poor people.
Well, that’s kind of the point, moderately well off folk will grab their bags just to save their passport, phone, and wallet. People who have very little are probably even more likely to want to take their bag. Anyway, I’m not tied to the argument, I read it on another board and thought it had some merit. It does depend a lot on the premise that these are relatively poor people. Something that is not clear is just how many people are taking their bags. It would be interesting to see some stats on that.
Also, I note that many times they hold the people on board until the Captain says it is OK. 60 seconds is a long time in some circumstances and I might be just as guilty about grabbing my carry on ( I do not pack a big carry on ) if they are not moving people out.