EMP attack on the US...how bad could it be?

It’s an interesting exercise to see what it would take to resurrect a modern fried engine. The entire fuel delivery system would need to be replaced by a carburetor since the injection requires all the sensors, the main engine computer, etc. And there is just no place to put a carb on modern engines, no central manifold with a big hole on top.

Ignition would also be very difficult. Most cars have coils and circuity for every spark plug, so that has to go. And there is often no place to mount an old distributor. You might be able to fit a crank fired ignition module to replace the fried stuff, but they are application specific and geared towards converting traditional engines with lots of room around the front of the engine, regular old Vee belts, etc.

And the transmission is more of the same unless it is manual.

Dennis

You could rig something up that would be horribly inefficient, but still get the job done with parts from a junkyard.

Or you could go to a junkyard and grab some pre-fuel injection cars and just get them up an working.

Congress had a commission to study the potential effects of an EMP: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a484672.pdf

Some of their worst-case scenarios were quite horrific.

First of all, there are a number of prior threads discussing the topic of high altitute electromagnetic pulse (HEMP) attacks, including one from last year specifically addressing North Korean capabilities:

[POST=20392581]So can the mad Korean bring us to our knees with EMP?[/POST]
[POST=18994114]EMP vs. Nuke?[/POST]
[POST=14005803]EMP effects[/POST]
[POST=15955896]North Korea and E.M.P.[/POST]
[POST=11780688]How much EMP shielding does military equipment has?[/POST]
[POST=13966680]Solar flares, EMP, and electronics damage[/POST]
[POST=17910477]How to protect solar panels from a Carrington event (EMP)?[/POST]

It should be noted that most of what we know about the HEMP effects of an actual nuclear detonation come from the Hardtack I series Yucca, Teak, and Orange and Starfish Prime tests performed in the late 'Fifties to early 'Sixties. There has been other work to model atmospheric effects and some very expensive component and system testing of simulated HEMP effects up to the 50 kV/m atmospheric breakdown limit but everything we know about the scope and effects of an HEMP attack at a given altitude over a given region is speculative.

To address a few specific comments:

This is something of a pet peeve of mine, but while it is a common use of the term by the general public to address any nuclear deterrence or exchange as “MAD”, this is completely incorrect. Assured Destruction (the “Mad” was added later as sardonic commentary by Herman Kahn and other critics of deterrence theory in general) is a specific game theory application of deterrence between and only two parties that requires specific prerequisites, including parity, survivability/counterstrike capability, and overwhelming destructiveness of the parties’ respective nuclear arsenals. The premise of Assured Destruction is that it is by definition a game with no possibility of winning (hence ‘destruction’ is ‘assured’) and therefore no rational player will initiate attack knowing that it would mean certain destruction of their nation and society. Any action that results in an exchange is a failure of the premise of Assured Destruction.

This absolutely does not apply to the situation between North Korea and the United States, where North Korea has a very limited ability to attack the United States (at most being able to destroy a handful of cities potentially an HEMP attack) notwithstanding the anti-ballistic missile systems which are at least ostensibly capable of fielding against such a limited attack with good efficacy, while the United States could most certainly destroy North Korea and virtually everyone with its borders if it so chooses with plenty of retaliatory capability remaining.

The Carrington Event of 1859, referenced in the last two links above, was the result of a coronal mass ejection (a large eruption of charged particles from the Sun), which in certain respects produces similar effects of the E3 component of EMP but its not representative of the effects of EMP on hardware components. Its greatest effects would be on the power grid which is detailed in this JASON report: “Impacts of Severe Space Weather on the Electric Grid”, JSR-11-320, November 2011. It does not present the same conditions that generate the E1 and E2 (high and mid frequency) components of HEMP.

A car body is most certainly not a Faraday cage, which is readily demonstrated by watching the many drivers operating their cell phones within one. A vehicle will often conduct lightning through the body panels and away from the delicate components and occupants in the interior by what is known as the ‘skin effect’, but this is not the same effect as that produced by a Faraday cage, which relies upon the even distribution of an essentially static electrical charge around a conductive mesh or solid shell. Even if components are within a shield of some kind that acts like a Faraday cage it may not do much to protect it from highly transient magnetic pulses generating high induction, nor will it do anything to protect a component that has a conductive path to the outside world, such as a radio attached to an antenna. It is, in theory, possible to provide isolation protection against high frequency pulses through such a conduit but it is very expensive to design and test such a system and may have other undesirable effects such as interference or poor signal efficiency.

With regard to the short and long term effects of such an attack and the range over which the effect could occur, it really depends on the specifics of the weapon and the amount of yield of energetic X-rays it produces at a certain altitude. The intensity and especially the range over which the effect occurs is highly dependent up being at an optimal altitude where the X-rays will be widely distributed before being absorbed.

The HEMP E1 component effect is the result of interactions between those X-rays and essentially free atoms in the thermosphere which are acted upon by the Earth’s magnetic field producing synchrotron radiation, generating a semi-coherent pulse in response; very simply, it is essentially turning the upper atmosphere of the Earth into a very large maser. There is very little that can be done to protect equipment from the E1 component except by attenuating the field (with a lot of mass opaque to microwave frequencies) and making the equipment robust enough to withstand dielectric breakdown, which is essentially impossible in modern high efficiency VLSI systems. The E1 component could affect an area as large as all of the US Eastern Seaboard all the way to Ohio and Kentucky, or the entire Midwest, Pacific Northwest, or Southwest regions. The shape of the affected area depends on the magnetic field flux where the weapon is detonated but it is not symmetric.

BTW, it does not matter whether components are in operation or not; the effect produces a highly transient electric charge and dielectric breakdown that will occur whether the device is functioning or not. Nor does it just affect devices with microelectronics and computers; anything with a sensitive electronic connection, including electronic car ignitions and fuel injection systems are likely to be damaged, nor is it possible to just retrofit a carburetor and mechanically-timed ignition onto a modern car, notwithstanding all of the other systems that use fine electronics or require digital control. An intense E1 component would render most modern vehicles worthless.

The E2 component is somewhat more localized and the effects are more akin to terrestrial lightning, producing a lower frequency pulse. Since most large or valuable electronic systems are designed for protection against lightning they should be fairly resistant to the E2 component, and except for a temporary disruption in radio communication it is not a great concerns.

The E3 component, a low frequency pulse, is the greatest concern for the electrical power distribution grid, and while you might hope that the companies which own the various segments of the North American grid would be prepared for an attack, particularly since it could experience the same conditions from natural phenomena, the JASON report cited above came to some pretty disturbing conclusions about the inadequacy of utilities and the government to deal with a widespread disruption of the power grid and attempts to repair it. The report is now several years old (issued in 2011) but I have seen nothing which indicates that the specific concerns listed in the report have been addressed in any comprehensive way.

As for FEMA and other government response, I think we’ve had ample demonstration of how inadequate it has been even with fairly localized disasters in New Orleans, Texas, Florida, and especially Puerto Rico. A regional or nationwide disaster would certainly overwhelm the very limited planning and further aggravate the logistical problems evident in prior disaster response efforts. Fortunately, we’ve also seen that while a limited amount of looting and thievery accompanies natural disasters, we also see people stepping up to volunteer to aid and protect others. A large scale disaster wouldn’t just turn into a Mad Max type of scenario unless there were some other looming failure in the offing.

The results on the nation that launched such an attack (and as others have noted, it would be nearly impossible to do this anonymously) would likely be very bad for them. Although North Korea has been very provocative in their statements and testing, the end goal of their nuclear weapon program is survival and to get a seat at the adults table, not to launch a desperate suicidal attack upon the US unless they are backed into a corner and feel that their existence is forfeit regardless. A ‘sneak attack’ with a high altitude EMP weapon seems unlikely in any plausible scenario.

Stranger

http://www.futurescience.com/emp.html links to the Futurescience site on EMP. Great site, you can go as deep as you ever wished into the subject of EMP. Answer to the post would be that an EMP would probably be bad, but no one really knows. I think silly jokes whenever I read 'Starfish Prime."

Interesting. Saw demo of EMP engine-kill-terrorist-stays-in-car-and-is-shot at Parris Island (I think); never knew it was a re-tread.

Could you elaborate a little on this, Stranger? The site I linked to upthread seems to indicate that tests revealed a difference between operating and non-operating vehicles, but it also sounds like the testing they performed was of limited strength to ensure that the vehicles weren’t permanently damaged.

But then I’m also confused about what exactly the implications of an E1, E2, and E3 component (which in a limited way I gather are high, mid, and low frequency waves produced?) and whether all three are produced in every EMP or whether only some are produced, or whether some other factors like the Earth’s magnetic field come into play. A little help on these details would be appreciated, if you have a moment. :slight_smile:

I would think that if a circuit is not operating, then that means that it is not in electrical contact with the rest of the car’s electrical systems. So, that would mean that any effects from an EMP would be generated and contained within that circuit itself, rather than from the whole of the electrical system.

I would think that the spike of power running through the car would do more damage than just currents in the unit itself, and the metal frame of the car may offer some protection.

A powerful enough one close enough by would kill everything, but a more marginal one would only destroy things that are currently hooked up to a power source that spikes.

This is speculation based on what little I know, so I certainly don’t mind being corrected.

This maybe a stupid question, but would it be easier to just replace the entire fuel injected engine with an older refurbished engine with a carburetor? And replacing the transmission with an older refurbished one without electronics?

Or just grab an old car with both, and fix it up. Many of them have concrete in their engine blocks now, though.

As far as modding, it is not something that the average person could do, but from what I’ve seen some auto mechanics pull off, I would be surprised if they weren’t able to rig something up that bypassed the electronics on modern cars.

Clunky, inefficient, may drastically shorten the engine’s life, but functional.

It does actually matter whether the electrical components are powered up or not.

Either way, whether they are powered or not, some things will be damaged by the currents induced by the EMP. So in that respect, this part doesn’t matter so much if the components are powered or not.

Semiconductors that are powered though can experience a thing called “latch-up”. This is a bit difficult to explain to folks who don’t have much knowledge of electronics, but basically a conductive path forms through the semiconductors which effectively creates a short circuit. The excessive current flow can then damage the semiconductor. The semiconductor will generally stay in latch-up as long as power is applied, so you may need to disconnect the car’s battery cable to get the components out of latch-up. Sometimes the semiconductors will survive and sometimes they won’t.

This one matters whether the device is powered or not. If the semiconductor isn’t powered, it won’t stay in latch-up and won’t self-destruct.

If you ever had a lightning strike nearby and your computer, tv, or some other electronics device wouldn’t work again until you unplugged it and plugged it back in, chances are you experienced latch-up.

ETA: I found this wikipedia article on latch-up. It’s a bit technical, but it does a decent job of explaining how latch-up occurs.

That thread is very sparse on details of the testing, listing field strength but not intensity nor pulse duration. A HEMP event would be a very rapid pulse to the maximum field strength short of dielectric breakdown of atmosphere (~50 kV/m) and would be essentially pervasive (equally intensity all around the vehicle). That they often saw transient effects that did not permanently damage vehicle components would indicate that levels were high enough to interfere with normal function but didn’t physically damage components. I can’t say with any assurance that the testing was or was not an accurate simulation of a HEMP-type impulse, but knowing something of the difference of design between commercial automotive electronics and those certified against nuclear high altitude EMP I don’t have much confidence in the former functioning after an event.

All three components are produced to differing intensities in a HEMP event; as noted above, the E1 and E2 components are of most concern for electronic components, while E3 are more of concern for large distribution systems. E1 is in particular to protect against because normal ground shielding (used against lightning strike damage) is not effective, and capacitive shielding has to be essentially perfect, and even then may not fully protect very sensitive components to secondary pulses by induction.

In analog electronics circuits are often isolated by switches or relays, but in most modern integrated digital electronics circuits are functioned or not by transistors and software logic. A voltage of sufficient potential will essentially ‘light up’ the entire device, and if the field strength is high enough, will cause components to literally break down physically. I don’t know what you mean by the “spike of power running through the car”, but the essential problem with the E1 component is that it is providing a highly transient pulse at very high voltage that is pervasive. The metal chassis may offer protection against lower frequency and highly localized potentials, but does essentially nothing to protect against a pervasive field which will find plenty of ways to penetrate the vehicle, and will also act upon the vehicle ‘ground’ and external connections such as antenna.

Any modern vehicle that requires a digital engine control module, and especially anything using variable valve timing, electronic throttle, electronically controlled turbocharger, or other crucial electronic controls for engine operation is going to be bricked. I suppose you could tear apart the engine and replace components requiring ECM control with some kind of dumb analog device, but at that point you’re just reusing the block, pistons, and manifolds. Any any car that uses these controls in the engine will use them elsewhere in systems like the transmission, ABS brakes, driver controls, et cetera. You’d essentially be stripping down the entire car and rebuilding it to conform to pre-'Eighties technology. It’s probably just easier at that point to find and refurbish an old engine and stick it in your Mercedes E-Class, and then mount a few skulls on the grill and a flamethrower out the back as a security measure.

Stranger

Absolutely. Sort of. Easy to do with trucks because there’s room to do it and the basic layout hasn’t changed. All you need to do is weld up some motor mounts and use a cable to operate the gear selector on an automatic transmission. The drive shaft might take some fussing with to mate up. All you need is a supply of old (pre-electronic) engines and transmissions. Pickings are going to be slim for these commodities.

In the event of a successful EMP we would just bring in cars from other areas. There are so many people with multiple cars that we could fill that void pretty easily.

What I meant was a power spike running through the car’s electrical systems, likening it to when lightning hits the power line and spikes your electronics. That doesn’t sound like it is relevant though.

But, yeah, I was thinking that unpowered circuits would have a bit more of a physical separation, but I suppose that’s not really the case anymore.

If you were actually concerned about this, and decided to take proactive measures, would it be possible to actually build a proper faraday cage around the sensitive parts of a car?

That’s more or less what I was talking about. Stripping it down to the block and rebuilding from there. The main benefit is that it is a bit hard to find a pre-fuel injection car anymore, as not only are they all pretty old at this point, but also quite a number got taken off the road in the cash for clunkers program and their engines were destroyed.

Toss in a manual transmission or a rebuilt old automatic one, and forget about ABS and all the fancy traction control, 'cause you don’t need all that in this mad max world.

The real question is, how do you get them to run on blood?

So Cuba’s auto transport system emerges unscathed.

Actually, Cuba, with their investment in independent renweable energy sources, lack of dependance on modern electronics, and highly distributed infrastructue, is probably the ideal in terms of robustness from a HEMP or Carrington-type event. Of course, Cuba (which was largely dependant on largess from Hiugo Chavez’ Venezuela before it went into econ9mic meltdown) does not have a lot of energy reserves or margins to endure much damage, not a lot of non-agricultural industry to support recovery, so the relatively low technology cuts both ways.

Estimates I’ve seen for recovery of the US from a nationwide HEMP attack or major Carrington-type event are between 18 months and over a decade, depending on the magnitude of damage and the definition of recovery. There are downstream consequences such as famine due to lack of transportation and processing of foodstuffs that are difficult to estimate. The upside is that damage to the electrical distribution grid system would force mich-needed upgrades finded by federal dollars rather than patching together the marginally functioning existing system to maximize profit, but recovery would be neither easy nor cheap, while competitors like China or Malaysia could seize the opportunity to gain even greater footholds in industrial markets.

Stranger