# Empathy No More **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 27, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038 "2009-03-27T21:41:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![emmaliminal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emmaliminal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emmaliminal)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/41 "2009-03-29T22:44:50Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > I’m not going to back down on this. Yay! ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/42 "2009-03-29T23:21:33Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Here’s the question. Is it unreasonable of me to expect to never have to deal with this guy again? Am I going too far, or is it a legitimate demand? I have no evidence that he is capable of violence, but does simply not feeling safe trump this client’s right to deal with our office in person? > > As I have a trigger-happy panic reflex, I’m not sure how rational I’m being. Every instinct I have is screaming, ‘‘No, it’s not acceptable for this client to come here, ever, not with 24 hours notice, not with a fox or in a box, NEVER.’’ > > **Sr. Olives** says the situation would be upsetting/scary for anyone, and my coworkers have all confirmed that they were upset and frightened too. I have the feeling they are going to fight to keep him out of our center. There were at least three witnesses to this incident so it’s definitely not my word against his. I’m just not sure what’s reasonable. Sweetheart, you did not overreact. He tried to prevent you from leaving, intimidated you, and chased you down the hallway. I would have dropped him from the program immediately if he threatened one of my staff. ---
**Author:** ![Rascal\_s\_Mom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a698b9/32.png) [@Rascal\_s\_Mom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rascal_s_Mom)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/43 "2009-03-29T23:25:07Z")
**Olives** , good luck tomorrow. You know we will be waiting to hear from you, right? ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/44 "2009-03-29T23:31:05Z")
I’m sorry, I’m confused by this condition: > [@](#): > > 1. I am his primary counselor and will provide services to him by phone as needed. He will also have my email and I will encourage him to use as needed. Does this mean you are still **Ima Shithead** ’s counselor? WT Blue Bloody F? After what happened your boss still expects you to deal with this guy? ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/45 "2009-03-29T23:50:05Z")
I agree with **Ivylass**. Still dealing with him seems wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/46 "2009-03-30T00:08:34Z")
> [@ivylass](#): > > Does this mean you are still **Ima Shithead** ’s counselor? WT Blue Bloody F? After what happened your boss still expects you to deal with this guy? I believe the Group Manager is the “I” in that sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/47 "2009-03-30T00:22:45Z")
Thanks **Frank**. I misread that. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/48 "2009-03-30T00:31:54Z")
WTF?! He assaulted you, falsely imprisoned you and is harassing you with both negligent and intentional emotional distress. Sue his nasty ass. Get a restraining order. Apply for workers comp. And make sure to call the cops when this sort of thing starts to happen. Oh, and get a job where they treat you like the wonderful human being you are!! ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/49 "2009-03-30T10:47:40Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > Here’s the question. Is it unreasonable of me to expect to never have to deal with this guy again? Am I going too far, or is it a legitimate demand? It’s an entirely legitimate request. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/50 "2009-03-30T14:38:54Z")
My sympathies. What a douche. If you don’t mind my asking, what does your employer do, exactly? I’m guessing debt counseling? ---
**Author:** ![Foxy40](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Foxy40](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Foxy40)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/51 "2009-03-30T15:16:03Z")
It seems like you can block this mental patient from coming up by security but a clear and concise discharge of him as your client also needs to be done. I certainly hope the managers do this and fast. When all is said and done with this situation, I think the powers that be need to come up with a very clear policy on handling out of control people. Our office has two steps… 1. If voices are raised, the clients are asked to leave. 2. If they refuse to leave, the police are called. The police have always been very supportive of this policy although very few clients have waited around to talk to them. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/52 "2009-03-30T15:53:29Z")
> [@olivesmarch4th](#): > > … stands over me. … refuses to leave. … screaming and cursing … loudly and obnoxiously harangue … arguments based on lies. He completely misrepresents … ‘‘You’re staying here,’’ … ‘‘No, you’re not,’’ he says… he pushes toward me, ‘‘You’re not leaving,’’ he says … She’s NOT leaving.‘’ _He proceeds to chase me out the door and start down the hall after me_. **Fuck you, you fucking cocksucker narcissistic control-freak asshole. You have no fucking right to tell me when I can and cannot leave my fucking job. You don’t deserve our help, you ridiculous pompous disrespectful worthless ass.** > > 🙂 That feels better. Have a good weekend folks. He’s lucky it was you, and not me. He seems to have found EVERY one of my buttons, and he would have been in serious trouble. I had to work with a guy like that, for far too long. Eventually, I had enough, and came to find out that for all the bluster, all the “control”, he was just a big damn wuss. Wanted to kick everyone’s ass, but ran like a little bitch when I finally turned the tables on him. I hate people like this. I really do. I’m not a “tough guy”, but people like that make me more than a little crazy. If your bosses had any guts, they’d tell that scumbag to take his business somewhere else. The don’t pay you enough to put up with that. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038/53 "2009-03-30T23:26:43Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I believe the Group Manager is the “I” in that sentence. Well, that makes more sense and I’m glad GM has your back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/empathy-no-more/491038.md?page=2)