# "Encouraging and furthering the abuses"? Fuck you! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 13, 2002, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634 "2002-11-13T22:03:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2002, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/21 "2002-11-14T23:20:05Z")
Oh, and **Coldie** , the _Golden Earring_ debt won’t be expunged until every man, woman, and child in the Netherlands has been kicked squarely in the crotch. But we appreciate the sentiment. (Why, yes, as a matter of fact, I _do_ know that the unleashing of Celine Dion and Bryan Adams on the world puts me in line for approximately 2 cubic metres of ground glass pounded up my ass with rubber mallet. Fair’s fair.) ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/22 "2002-11-15T01:18:03Z")
Why should anyone care if they dealt with South Africa during apartheid? Nobody seems to care that we’re trading with China right now, and China is surely as bad as (or probably far worse than) apartheid South Africa. As far as I’m concerned, all these countries can run themselves however they want as long as they don’t screw with us. Why’s it our prerogative to meddle? If some countries want to run themselves in ways we find abhorrent here in the civilized world, and if some people wanna trade with 'em, it’s not any of our business. I see **Coldfire** has apologized for protestantism in England. (About time _somebody_ apologized for protestantism 😉 ) Maybe the Church should sue the CoE to get back all the property it owned before Henry VIII’s hissy fit 😉 I think we can see where this sort of reasoning leads us, and it isn’t good. ---
**Author:** ![black\_rabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@black\_rabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/black_rabbit)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/23 "2002-11-15T01:24:30Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by RexDart \* As far as I’m concerned, all these countries can run themselves however they want as long as they don’t screw with us. Why’s it our prerogative to meddle? If some countries want to run themselves in ways we find abhorrent here in the civilized world, and if some people wanna trade with 'em, it’s not any of our business. [\QUOTE] But _Saddam_ uses _chemical weapons_ on his own _people_. :exits, with teary resolve: :starts war: ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/24 "2002-11-15T01:55:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Nobody seems to care that we’re trading with China right now… [Nobody cares?](http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22Trade+with+China%22+%22human+rights%22) Uh… > [@](#): > > …and China is surely as bad as (or probably far worse than) apartheid South Africa. China’s pretty damned bad, but they don’t register anywhere _near_ as high on the Evil-o-Meter as Apartheid-era South Africa. WTF? Do you have _any_ idea what sort of society apartheid laws created? Even the vaguest conception? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/25 "2002-11-15T18:08:45Z")
What country is Hausfeld from? Is he just a concerned citizen of the world? ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/26 "2002-11-15T20:10:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jinwicked \* > \*\* > > I want that! \*\* You should paint that! On velvet! ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/27 "2002-11-15T20:23:15Z")
> [@](#): > > What country is Hausfeld from? Is he just a concerned citizen of the world? This is being brought to the U.S. because the [Alien Tort Claims Act](http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/torts3y/readings/update-a-02.html) makes such a suit possible. Not a peculiarity of Hausfeld, but rather a reflection of the philosophy of the United States. The idealistic use to which ACTA has been bent in recent times is a fine example of U.S. courts “walking the walk” when it comes to the characterization of the USA as a champion of justice on the world stage. I should very much like to see similar legislation pass in Canada-- it may be somewhat burdensome on the courts, but accountability is a _good_ thing. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/28 "2002-11-15T20:32:27Z")
That’s “ATCA,” of course-- my fingers are used to typing [ACTRA](http://www.actra.ca/), I guess. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2002, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/29 "2002-11-15T20:43:55Z")
Thanks for the link, I appreciate the legwork. This is were its gets difficult for me to complain/debate about the issues, as I am a complete layman when it comes to legal matters. I still appears to me that these companies were doing nothing illegal (perhaps immoral), and should not be held liable. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2002, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634/30 "2002-11-16T08:02:10Z")
No worries, mate. (I would be remiss if I failed to point out that I’m a complete layman myself, though-- my only “authority” is that I have the 'satiable curiousity of Kipling’s _Elephant’s Child_.) Cheers! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/encouraging-and-furthering-the-abuses-fuck-you/136634.md?page=1)