# Endeavour - Season Seven **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [August 22, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748 "2020-08-22T14:37:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/21 "2020-08-24T17:31:07Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > Morse still refer to Joan as “Miss Thursday”? It’s 'cause he lurves her and gets all twitterpated around her. 🤮 But explain to me how Dorothea knew Mrs. Bright was dead before Thursday? Violetta’s death scene intercut with scenes from the opera is cause for another use of the vomiting emoji: 🤮 Weren’t you wondering at the very end whether Ludo was going to shoot Fred thus removing him from the series for good? Did anyone bother to fish Ludo out of the drink? ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/22 "2020-08-24T18:36:59Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > How did Dorothea Frazil know about Mrs. Bright even before the police? She borrowed Ludo’s crystal ball. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > (BTW, I love Max and would date him and have his babies-- if I weren’t too old–any day of the week.) Shall we say two o’clock? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/23 "2020-08-24T18:59:03Z")
😀 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/24 "2020-08-24T23:04:56Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > Let’s pile on and mention just three of the many plot holes: Ludo apparently had a crystal ball that enabled him to know exactly what, where, and when people (especially Morse, and the intended victims of the sabotaged ladders) would be doing very specific things in the future. > > Starting with his knowing that in the opening episode, Morse would go to the opera and notice the back of Violetta’s head. > > And _why_ would he decide to snare Morse in a love thing with Violetta? … I believe we were meant to believe that the Morse/Violetta affair was _not_ known to Ludo all along. We were meant to believe that Ludo snared Morse merely because he thought it would be great to have a “tame policeman” (that phrase or one similar was used in Ep.3). And then he found out that Morse and Violetta were involved. So the fact that Morse met Violetta in Venice and started an affair, and simultaneously Ludo was planning to become Morse’s bestie (why? how could lowly Morse help Ludo conceal his crimes or whatever the hell???) was _all a coincidence._ And, among the plotting awfulness but not yet mentioned: the idea that Morse would go to Venice, all on his own, telling no one (especially not the local authorities!) with the idea of ‘taking Ludo and Violetta into custody’ has got to be the winner for Preposterous Plot Device of the Year. Geez Louise. I think I said this back on the old board, but will repeat: if you enjoy UK police procedurals set a half-century or more ago, try the _Inspector George Gently_ series. In my opinion all 25 episodes are better-written than _Endeavour_. (Shaun Evans plays a large role in one of the GG eps, by the way). > **[Inspector George Gently](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_George_Gently)** > > Inspector George Gently (also known as George Gently for the pilot and first series) is a 2008 British television crime drama series produced by Company Pictures for BBC One, set in the 1960s and loosely based on some of the Inspector Gently novels written by Alan Hunter. The series stars Martin Shaw as the eponymous inspector and Lee Ingleby as Detective Sergeant John Bacchus, with Simon Hubbard and Lisa McGrillis in supporting roles as police constables in the fictitious North East Constabul... ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2020, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/25 "2020-08-24T23:17:54Z")
I love George Gently. Also Vera and Shetland. Wycliffe isn’t bad. The Last Detective is good, as is The Brokenwood Mysteries. A British series that will blow your mind is Life on Mars. I won’t even try to explain what the premise is, as it sounds impossible. But it works. I beg to differ on the whole of Endeavour-- all three episodes of season 2 were brilliant! Especially Trove. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/26 "2020-08-25T01:20:49Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > > (BTW, I love Max and would date him and have his babies-- if I weren’t too old–any day of the week.) > > Shall we say two o’clock? Regarding that, does he do post mortems at any other time? Is it supposed to be an Easter egg or some kind of joke? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/27 "2020-08-25T01:42:35Z")
Sometimes it’s 3:00 or another time. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/28 "2020-08-25T02:16:16Z")
In recent episodes I noticed the 2 o’clock. And Googling, it does seem to be the usual time. There was even a site that sold coasters and mugs with that phrase along with a sketch of his eyeglasses and bowtie. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/29 "2020-08-25T14:26:32Z")
We slogged through ep 3 last night, which started fine, stayed okay, then rapidly turned into a steaming pile of goo at the end. About halfway through, I turned to my wife and said “Ludo did it.” It was that transparent. “Put the gun down or I’ll shoot the girl!”? Really? This guy should consider a career in IT instead of police work. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/30 "2020-08-25T19:07:45Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > So the fact that Morse met Violetta in Venice and started an affair, and simultaneously Ludo was planning to become Morse’s bestie (why? how could lowly Morse help Ludo conceal his crimes or whatever the hell???) was _all a coincidence._ It irritates me to admit I think you’re right about that. Although IMO the “all a coincidence” plot device is only one step better than “It was all a dream”. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/31 "2020-08-26T00:14:49Z")
What I don’t get is what Violetta’s role in the insurance scheme was supposed to be? Was she a mechanical engineer who manufactred rusted through bolts, caster wheels about to fail, and so forth? Or the electrician who rigged the bad Christmas lights? We weren’t shown her as the saleman who bought the insurance policies, or actually do anything else at all except sleep around with Morse. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/32 "2020-08-26T00:17:25Z")
Yet another plot hole. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2020, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/33 "2020-08-27T00:25:53Z")
I admit I don’t really remember _Endeavour_ Season 2. I’ll have to look for it. Yeah, _Life on Mars_ is amazing. The US version was somewhat less so, but at least they made the effort. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/34 "2020-09-06T19:37:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > In recent episodes I noticed the 2 o’clock. And Googling, it does seem to be the usual time. There was even a site that sold coasters and mugs with that phrase along with a sketch of his eyeglasses and bowtie Reviving the thread to mention that I finally got around to googling those mugs. Found mugs and tee-shirts with the glasses, bowtie, and quote, all apparently designed by the same person, who badly misspells a key word. On Tee’s and mugs alike, the line is “_Gentleman_, shall we say two o’clock?” (Italics mine.) Argh. A great gift idea ruined by a moronic error. For Christ’s sake, there were only six words. Okay, I feel better now. Mind how you go. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/35 "2020-09-06T20:38:00Z")
I watched a very early episode the other day… first season… and the postmortem was at 3 pm. ---
**Author:** ![MagicEyes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@MagicEyes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MagicEyes)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/36 "2020-09-08T21:26:55Z")
Episode 3 was a mess, for many reasons. It would have been much better without Ludo and that whole ridiculous, hacky, and coincidence riddled plotline. Highlights: Morse ostentatiously pulling out a notebook so he can write down four letters. Ludo sinking into the canal, so we don’t know for sure he’s really dead, which means he’ll be back next season. If that happens, I’m not watching. I’m still unclear on how Morse had enough money to go on a luxury vacation in Venice. The whole affair with Violetta and his attitude about it seem out of character for him, but maybe Morse is not the person I thought he was. I knew they were going to kill Bright’s wife, and I almost stopped watching then. It was lazy writing and it was gratuitous. I did not expect the ludicrous Ludo-involved plot which relied on her hanging Christmas decorations. Maybe I missed something, but I don’t even understand what she could have been doing that caused her to be electrocuted. I know Bright is a fictional character, but I still don’t enjoy watching the man be tortured. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2020, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/37 "2020-09-08T21:43:33Z")
> [@MagicEyes](#): > > knew they were going to kill Bright’s wife, and I almost stopped watching then. It was lazy writing and it was gratuitous. I did not expect the ludicrous Ludo-involved plot which relied on her hanging Christmas decorations. Maybe I missed something, but I don’t even understand what she could have been doing that caused her to be electrocuted. I know Bright is a fictional character, but I still don’t enjoy watching the man be tortured. It was just too _deus ex machina_ for me. I generally expect better from British series. By the way, I just watched the new series “Young Wallander”, the prequel to “Wallander”. Filmed in Sweden, but entirely in English. The lead actor is Swedish, but the rest are pretty much from GB. I only mention this series because they seem to have tried to pattern young Wallander after Endeavour for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Paintcharge](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paintcharge/32/7946_2.png) [@Paintcharge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paintcharge)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/38 "2020-12-16T02:41:45Z")
Just a question for all of the series. How in hell did Chief Bright get to be a chief? He’s the like the most ineffectual git ever. Was he a good officer at one point? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/39 "2020-12-16T06:23:43Z")
Just wait until there is a tiger loose round your house sometime and see if you don’t wish Bright was nearby. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2020, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/endeavour-season-seven/918748/40 "2020-12-16T12:03:49Z")
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