# Energy Enhancement System, scalar waves - is this legit? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 27, 2024, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310 "2024-08-27T13:04:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/101 "2024-09-02T00:50:46Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > As long as you have functional kidneys, your body already removes toxins. You don’t have toxins building up anywhere in your body, and anything that claims that it will “detoxify” is pretty much guaranteed to be woo. Mostly true, although I’ll point out that some toxic substances like lead _do_ accumulate in the body. That said, even if it _wasn’t_ all pseudoscientific gibberish, using some kind of field to rip heavy metals or any other “toxin” out of the body sounds like the worst way to remove them I can imagine. Being perforated with millions of tiny holes isn’t likely to _improve_ somebody’s health. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/102 "2024-09-02T01:30:29Z")
I remember a Niven story where, in one scene, a character stepped into a teleportation booth (trusting it to take him somewhere safe and survivable) and the booth did its thing, but he was still right there, and then he started feeling young again because the booth had somehow teleported all the age-accumulated cruft out of his body and it was no longer a drag on him. So, this BS is Niven’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/103 "2024-09-02T02:24:52Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > So, this BS is Niven’s fault. - Not really. His _worked._ ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/104 "2024-09-02T04:32:03Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I remember a Niven story where, in one scene, a character stepped into a teleportation booth (trusting it to take him somewhere safe and survivable) and the booth did its thing, but he was still right there, and then he started feeling young again because the booth had somehow teleported all the age-accumulated cruft out of his body and it was no longer a drag on him. _[A World Out of Time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_World_Out_of_Time)._ ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2024, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/105 "2024-09-17T23:49:00Z")
> [@Schnitte](#): > > Well, in a previous job of mine, a “risk management and governance scalar” was a thing; it was an extra add-on on a bank’s regulatory capital requirements. But we didn’t exactly advertise this scalar. Scalar in that use means scaling factor, i.e. mathematical adjustment to a value. Scalar does mean something in science. For measurements they are counterpoints to vectors. Vectors are directional quantities like Velocity. Scalars are directionless like mass. However, if referring to energy fields and mystical health treatments, it’s a bunch of gibberish. > [@RitterSport](#): > > Can this device still help me balance my humours? It might help you with your humor. ---
**Author:** ![mrsTF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@mrsTF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrsTF)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/106 "2024-10-20T20:28:54Z")
Someone told me about this, and i started to google. I came across this forum, then lots of claims/testimonials, and this, which is intriguing. One pdf from CIA site and one report in a neurology journal. [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00792r000500240008-9](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00792r000500240008-9) > **[Scalar Field Therapy and Mitigation of Seizure Disorder: A Case Report |...](https://neurores.org/index.php/neurores/article/view/134/145)** > > Scalar Field Therapy and Mitigation of Seizure Disorder: A Case Report ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/107 "2024-10-20T20:56:04Z")
Well, that’s. . . interesting. If you read [the longer paper](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00792R000500240008-9.pdf) (which is still only four pages) it appears the principal effect of the scalar waves is to stimulate the uptake of noradrenaline (aka norepinephrine) into cells. And by the way, the experiment was on cells in a petri dish, not in a human body. And the length of exposure was 30 minutes. I am not a biochemist but I believe if the cells take in adrenaline, they’re going to be stimulated whether you using scalar waves or not. You could also scare the hell out of someone and get pretty much the same effect. Cite: the effects of stimulated adrenaline production on Mr. Chekhov and Captain Kirk in _Star Trek_, Season 2, Episode 12, _The Deadly Years._ ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/108 "2024-10-21T01:03:48Z")
It’s an odd paper, not peer reviewed, and undated. I see that a paper much like it was published by another set of authors in the International Journal of Applied Research (IJAR) - also undated. IJAR is listed as a predatory journal [here](http://www.dgpis.gob.mx/PDF/Difusion/RevistasDepredadoras.pdf). [Wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_publishing): > **Predatory publishing** , also **write-only publishing** [[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_publishing#cite_note-1)[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_publishing#cite_note-2) or **deceptive publishing** ,[[3]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_publishing#cite_note-3) is an exploitative [academic publishing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_publishing) business model, where the journal or publisher prioritizes self-interest at the expense of scholarship. It is characterized by misleading information, deviates from the standard peer review process, is highly non-transparent, and often utilizes aggressive solicitation practices.[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_publishing#cite_note-4) The experimental design appeared to consist of buying a so-called Tesla Watch from the ELF Cocoon International and allegedly conducting tests on it in an unknown laboratory. I see that the author of the paper located on the CIA website, Dr Glen Rein, appears to have a Linked In profile. He appears to have eclectic and somewhat vague interests: > Consulting in biomedical research and alternative medicine > Lecturing at international conferences. > Original research in water science, energy medicine and consciousness science I’m seeing a lot of red flags and you-tube videos. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/109 "2024-10-21T15:04:49Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > > [@running\_coach](#): > > > > …whose Truth Social bio describes him as: > > > > > _40 yrs. Executive Branch Director Of Classified Intelligence & Military Special Intelligence, National Security & CyberSecurity. Nuclear Physicist, Computer Scientist, Engineer and Bio Geneticist. Journalist and Business Developer. Resides in Maryland/DC and New Jersey. Jet Pilot, Chess Hobbiest, Armourer, Auto Racing (Porsche, Corvette and Shelby), Martial Artist. Advanced Systems, AI Software and Hardware Developer. Gene Sequencing, Forensics, Well rounded, well informed._ > > I mean, if you can’t trust that guy, who can you trust? > > Stranger Wasn’t that one of the characters in “Buckaroo Banzai”? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/110 "2024-10-22T02:19:44Z")
And according to his [LinkedIn profile](https://www.linkedin.com/in/glen-rein-88292814/) before his “Original out-of-box research in energy medicine and mind-brain interactions” he was the Sr. Principle _(sic)_ Scientist/Director at Estee Lauder. Dude, if you’re going to list working for a cosmetics company in the middle of all your incredible research, at least spell your title correctly. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/111 "2024-10-22T04:38:59Z")
He is a scientist, goddammit. He only uses language for the purpose of describing his research and for occasional interactions with those pesky human things. Grammatical accuracy is for Liberal Arts professors who wear jackets with suede elbow patches and no tape on the bridge of their glasses. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/112 "2024-10-22T04:57:45Z")
It says a lot about his market that he thinks that having Estee Lauder as a keynote of his CV is impressive rather than damning. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/113 "2024-10-22T06:40:50Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > he thinks that having Estee Lauder as a keynote of his CV is impressive rather than damning. Well, it does have the advantage of being the one part that I’d actually believe. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2024, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/114 "2024-10-22T06:55:32Z")
Maybe…if he said he sold it door-to-door. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/115 "2024-10-23T03:57:56Z")
To be fair, the 2012 article in the Journal of Neurology Research seems to be a little better. It’s a case study of an autistic toddler with a history of seizures. Sitting her in front of a light show (aka scalar therapy) appears to have mitigated her symptoms. So we have 1 example of a success, written up by physicians in schools of alternative medicine. I am neither a physician nor a medical scientist. I don’t find the story implausible on its face, though I’m skeptical of the purported causal mechanism: > The mitigation of seizure disorder through the use of the EES may be due to its apparent effect on neuronal function or through its effect on blood circulation or other cellular effects. The in vitro finding of the effect of scalar fields on oradrenaline uptake could explain a change in seizure threshold, for example. These mechanisms along with other possible mechanisms should be tested because of their potential for treatment in seizures and other related diseases. Anyway, the authors note that, “It remains to be seen if scalar field therapy will achieve similar outcomes in other children and whether the effect is long-standing.” The study lasted 60 days as far as I can tell. I would be interested in a follow up interview with the patient’s family, conducted by someone with a frame of mind more attunded to banal explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2024, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/116 "2024-11-18T15:58:33Z")
Bumping this one for a semi-serious question. What would happen if I started marketing a piece of “add-on” technology that claimed to improve the operation of the OP device? Lets say it takes the output of the device and “aligns” it to improve and increase the effect(s) stated by the original device? Can the inventor of the original device sue me? On what grounds? I could claim that I’m not stealing his device any more than a custom tire maker is infringing on General Motors. Would he have to show how his device worked in a court of law in order to stop me from “stealing” his invention? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/117 "2024-11-18T16:06:44Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > What would happen if I started marketing a piece of “add-on” technology that claimed to improve the operation of the OP device? Depends on what you mean by “add-on”. If it was a separate device you sold to their existing customers, claiming that it “enhanced” the performance of the device, I think you’d be okay. You’re not using their technology yourself, and not costing them any sales, since the customers would need to have bought their device first. If you tired to market your add-on with a copy of their device sold as a package, then you might get sued for infringement. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/118 "2024-11-18T16:31:17Z")
Is the intent to make them prove their claims? You could make your own device that looks different, but you claim it does the same thing only better. Then get caught up in the legal confrontation of who has to prove what about who’s claims. Patent infringement? How? My device is completely different. Stolen technology? Prove it. False claims about performance? As measured how? But it could be that claimng yours is better is a claim _you_ have to justify. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2024, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/119 "2024-11-18T16:40:55Z")
Well, lets say that my device only works as an attachment of the other device and we state that it works on the same principle as the original device. Does the other guy have grounds to sue? Does he have to explain his devices operating principle? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310/120 "2024-11-19T16:05:30Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Patent infringement? How? My device is completely different. That would depend on how broadly their patent claims were written. If the patent examiner had trouble finding similar systems, the claims could be quite broad, and encompass many possible ways of doing the thing they’re saying it does. In such a case, you’d be best off to argue that their patent is invalid because it can’t produce the result they claim it does. The patent would be invalid for lack of utility. They’d have to show some evidence that it does work to defend the patent. Of course, this puts you in the position of claiming your device is also crap, but maybe that’s what you wanted to do all along? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/energy-enhancement-system-scalar-waves-is-this-legit/1006310.md?page=7)