# England, my England (part two) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 1, 2006, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851 "2006-07-01T06:52:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2006, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851/21 "2006-07-02T17:26:27Z")
> [@mamboman](#): > > There’s a very good reason they didn’t start with 3-4-2 - that’s only 9 outfielders. :smack: Damnit. I always do that. I meant 4-4-2, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Chez\_Guevara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aeb1de/32.png) [@Chez\_Guevara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chez_Guevara)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851/22 "2006-07-02T18:50:25Z")
> [@chowder](#): > > The manager of Englands national team should be an Englishman, preferably someone in the mould of Stuart Pearce (Manchester City) or Sam Allardyce (Bolton Wanderers) Premiership Table 2005/2006: 1. Chelsea (Jose Mourinho - Portuguese) 91 points 2. Man. Utd (Alex Ferguson - Scottish) 83 points 3. Liverpool (Rafael Benitez) - Spanish) 82 points 4. Arsenal (Arsene Wenger - French) 67 points 5. Tottenham (Martin Jol - Dutch) 65 points 6. Blackburn Rovers (Mark Hughes - Welsh) 63 points These clubs decided to appoint the best _man_ for the job rather than the best _Englishman._ As one does in a global sport. ---
**Author:** ![Hostile\_Dialect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e495f1/32.png) [@Hostile\_Dialect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hostile_Dialect)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2006, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851/23 "2006-07-02T19:12:50Z")
**Chez** , you miss the point. The English national team just isn’t English without underachievement and disappointment; of _course_ they have to hire a Brit. ---
**Author:** ![mamboman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecb155/32.png) [@mamboman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mamboman)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851/24 "2006-07-02T23:14:36Z")
> [@chowder](#): > > Unambitious clubs? where are you coming from? > > All clubs have ambition, just because they are unable to realise it makes them no less keen to succeed than the monied clubs such as Chelsea/Man Utd/Liverpool. > . Ok, well then the scope of their ambition is exteremely limited - to staying in the Premiership and maybe one day pinching a UEFA cup spot. Are either of the clubs going to risk bankrupting themselves in a quest to actually win somerthing? They don’t have them means to match the ambitions of the big three - and Pearce and Allyardice are the kinds of managers who will manage a club to the limit of their meagre ambitions, because that limit matches the limits of their talents. Do you think for a nanosecond that, should Mourinho, Wegener or Benitez resign that their espective clubs would even consider Pearce or Allyardice as their replacements? The “little England” mentality is all well and good, but shouting at your players from the sidelines is not going to win you a world cup. Especially when you don’t have the talent to start with. ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851/25 "2006-07-03T05:04:38Z")
> [@Chez Guevara](#): > > Premiership Table 2005/2006: > > 1. Chelsea (Jose Mourinho - Portuguese) 91 points > 2. Man. Utd (Alex Ferguson - Scottish) 83 points > 3. Liverpool (Rafael Benitez) - Spanish) 82 points > 4. Arsenal (Arsene Wenger - French) 67 points > 5. Tottenham (Martin Jol - Dutch) 65 points > 6. Blackburn Rovers (Mark Hughes - Welsh) 63 points > > These clubs decided to appoint the best _man_ for the job rather than the best _Englishman._ As one does in a global sport. These clubs appointed the “best” man for the job because they had the money to pay them. If they had not had the finances they have then the best Englishman willing to take the job would have been appointed and most certainly Pearce or Allardyce would have been considered. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2006, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851/26 "2006-07-03T10:43:41Z")
@ **chowder** : If {b}this text{/b} were to be bolded, I’d use brackets instead of {}braces. Don’t forget the slash in the second tag {/b} or you won’t turn bolding off. Similarly {u}underline{/u} and {i}italics{/i}. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-my-england-part-two/362851.md?page=1)