# England - T&T (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 15, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823 "2006-06-15T16:54:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/1 "2006-06-15T16:54:05Z")
Who do you guys think you are? The USA? A huge save off the line to avoid going down 1-0 at half. You have Beckham taking corners with Crouch in the middle and he’s making short back passes for 30 meter shots? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/2 "2006-06-15T16:59:13Z")
Yes, we’re crap. Live with it. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/3 "2006-06-15T17:01:43Z")
> [@](#): > > You have Beckham taking corners with Crouch in the middle and he’s making short back passes for 30 meter shots? Although I don’t generally like the play, a few of them _have_ gone in this tournament. England is a Crouch fuckup away from having a goal on the board themselves. By the way, that save was easily a foot off the goal line so there was really no reason to worry. Yeah, England has been less than impressive. If he is, in fact, ready I hope they put Rooney in the second half for a lift. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/4 "2006-06-15T17:15:17Z")
> [@BBC Commentary Page](#): > > The early signs are that England did not get a half-time rollicking from Sven-Goran Eriksson or find a secret stash of kryptonite in the changing room. It’s moribund stuff summed up by an aimless Ashley Cole pass to… nobody. Just wanted to mention this- what? How would kryptonite help? (Assuming England are meant to be the Supermen). And why would Sven give them a “rollicking”? BBC coverage also shit. > [@](#): > > Yeah, England has been less than impressive. If he is, in fact, ready I hope they put Rooney in the second half for a lift. I doubt it as long as Sven can possibly avoid it. His foot is… I don’t know, amputated or something, so he wants to rest it if possible. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/5 "2006-06-15T17:31:58Z")
Does England look like a team that could beat Brazil? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/6 "2006-06-15T17:39:19Z")
Sheeit, if it’s a draw and T&T win against Paraguay, we could be out. Shower of shite. Rooney’s doing as well as the rest. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/7 "2006-06-15T17:42:40Z")
Oh thank goodness. Where’s the dance?! ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/8 "2006-06-15T17:43:07Z")
Lampard should have had about five by now… nice goal. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/9 "2006-06-15T17:43:56Z")
GOAL! Ok, so they’re still crap. Come on, _Trinidad and Tobago_? ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/10 "2006-06-15T17:48:38Z")
T&T have the highest goal-scorer of any country with 65 international goals under his belt. According to the bloke on the telly. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/11 "2006-06-15T17:49:59Z")
FUCKING HELL! Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/12 "2006-06-15T17:52:39Z")
Phew. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/13 "2006-06-15T18:02:40Z")
England are not a good team. 2-0 was a flattering scoreline. Ecuador could give this team a go. Germany will beat them. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/14 "2006-06-15T18:09:36Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > England are not a good team. 2-0 was a flattering scoreline. > > Ecuador could give this team a go. Germany will beat them. Germany doesn’t impress me and I think Ecuador will give them a go, as you say, and they could finish top of their group. One thing, I remember Germany in 2002 and Italy in 1990 among others who were wholly unimpressive in group play yet they managed to make it to the championship game. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/15 "2006-06-15T18:10:12Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > England are not a good team. 2-0 was a flattering scoreline. > > Ecuador could give this team a go. Germany will beat them. What he said. Just hope that we win our group and don’t have to play Germany sooner rather than later. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/16 "2006-06-15T18:41:59Z")
Perhaps England will come good as they do have some great players but it just doesn’t seem to be working. Gerrard’s wonder-strike aside, it was all route one ugliness. And Germany should beat England. England’s record against them is poor and a game in Germany will not suit England at all. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/17 "2006-06-15T19:26:25Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > And Germany should beat England. England’s record against them is poor and a game in Germany will not suit England at all. Agreed, they’ll lose to crap, and then they’ll burn the town down. If they win, the jingoism of some supporters will turn my stomach. It will suit me, however, as I have £5 on Germany to win. And £2 on South Korea. I am a traitor. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/18 "2006-06-15T19:37:24Z")
Don’t feel too bad, South Korea have my money, too. Them and the Czechs, who are doing me proud so far. ---
**Author:** ![Ximenean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/aca169/32.png) [@Ximenean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ximenean)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/england-t-t-spoilers/360823/19 "2006-06-15T19:44:08Z")
Since England are not the sort of team that can play well for seven consecutive games, it’s a good thing that we have got two bad performances out of the way. Yeah. In no way is this desperate rationalisation.