# English as a Satellite-Framed Language - Looking for Examples

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-as-a-satellite-framed-language-looking-for-examples/990960>\
**Category:** Factual Questions\
**Created:** [October 1, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-as-a-satellite-framed-language-looking-for-examples/990960 "2023-10-01T16:12:21Z")\
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**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-as-a-satellite-framed-language-looking-for-examples/990960/21 "2023-10-03T12:29:21Z")

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I understand not at all what you mean.

You seem to be saying that Latin has a bunch of rules and idioms (what is the name of the official rulebook, by the way?) and the success of the Empire made it have non-mutually-intelligible dialects, whereas English, which you are touting as the new Latin with all the same stuff including idioms and “we” (the Empire?) making it a world “lingo franca”, does not have dialects?

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**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-as-a-satellite-framed-language-looking-for-examples/990960/22 "2023-10-03T21:55:08Z")

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> [@Moonrise](#):
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> I’d say _Les rires de l’auditoire l’ont forcé à quitter la scène_ or _Il a dû quitter la scène à cause des rires de l’auditoire_ but as you say it doesn’t have the biting conciseness of the original, and it doesn’t even sound really idiomatic in French.

Yeah, they’re much better than suggestion. My French is poor. I posed the question to a French Canadian I know well and she replied that it was untranslatable.

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**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\
**Post date:** [October 3, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-as-a-satellite-framed-language-looking-for-examples/990960/23 "2023-10-03T22:05:15Z")

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How about “voted off the island” as an example requested in the OP.

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**Author:** ![Moonrise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moonrise/32/14764_2.png) [@Moonrise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonrise)\
**Post date:** [October 4, 2023, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-as-a-satellite-framed-language-looking-for-examples/990960/24 "2023-10-04T07:41:12Z")

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> [@dtilque](#):
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> How about “voted off the island” as an example requested in the OP.

Yes, that’s another good one, thanks ! And [topical](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/09/28/vote-island-republican-debate/), too.

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> Asked whom they’d vote off the island, Republican candidates stage a mutiny

> [@Hari\_Seldon](#):
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> Yeah, they’re much better than suggestion. My French is poor. I posed the question to a French Canadian I know well and she replied that it was untranslatable.

Pretty much, yes.

By the way, your translation was good. There were just a couple of typos (_Il est **sorti**  **de** scène **à** cause du rire de l’auditoire_) but it works. Well, as much as it is possible to translate this type of structures.

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