# English Majors: \[I\]that\[/I\] or \[I\]which\[/I\]? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [October 30, 2003, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446 "2003-10-30T14:43:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dav01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@dav01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dav01)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/1 "2003-10-30T14:43:29Z")
What is the correct way to word the following sentence fragment: In an email dated September 19, 2003 _that_ you sent to Mr. Johnston… or In an email dated September 19, 2003 _which_ you sent to Mr. Johnston… Is there a rule for the use of that/which that I can rely on? I always screw this up. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/2 "2003-10-30T15:01:00Z")
First let me point out the real error in the sentences above – you _must_ put a comma _after_ 2003, no matter what. Restrictive clause – provides information essential to the meaning of the sentence Non-restrictive clause – provides information, but if removed, would not change the meaning of the sentence There are those who say that _that_ should only be used for restrictive clauses and that _which_ should only be used for non-restrictive clauses. There are those who say you could use either, so long as you set off non-restrictive clauses with a comma. In this case, your adjectival clause is a non-restrictive clause – in other words, when you remove the clause, it doesn’t change the meaning of the sentence. Going by the first rule (which I prefer), you should use _which_. ---
**Author:** ![Xerxes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/d2c977/32.png) [@Xerxes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xerxes)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/3 "2003-10-30T15:02:15Z")
The Oxford Guide to English Usage spends quite a bit of time explaining that, while not hard and fast, there are a number of rules governing that vs which. In your example, the pertinent rule seems to be > [@](#): > > The general rule is that _which_ is used in relative clauses to which the reader’s attention is to be drawn, while _that_ is used in clauses which mention what is already known or does not need special emphasis. _Which_ is almost always used in non-restrictive clauses, i.e. those that add further information about an antecedent already defined by other words or the context So, in your example, I think _which_ is appropriate, because the second clause adds further information to the first clause. That said, the section on _which_ vs _that_ is about 3 pages long with rules, counter-rules and times when rules can be bent or broken. ---
**Author:** ![dav01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@dav01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dav01)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/4 "2003-10-30T15:10:39Z")
Thanks to both of you. I’m sold- gonna go with which. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlett67](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scarlett67/32/7387_2.png) [@Scarlett67](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scarlett67)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/5 "2003-10-30T18:01:06Z")
I might also add that it is a common convention to set off nonrestrictive clauses with commas, thus: In an email dated September 19, 2003, which you sent to Mr. Johnston, you said I was the best lover you’d ever had. ---
**Author:** ![dav01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8491ac/32.png) [@dav01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dav01)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/6 "2003-10-30T18:51:10Z")
Why Scarlett… you flatter me. ---
**Author:** ![ianzin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/ed655f/32.png) [@ianzin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ianzin)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/7 "2003-10-30T19:00:02Z")
I’m in the UK and standard practice here may differ from standard practice in the States and elsewhere. Use ‘which’ as a relative pronoun in a clause which provides further information about something you have mentioned in the antecedent clause. Use ‘that’ to introduce an adjectival phrase, i.e. one serving to distinguish a given noun or noun phrase from others. In ‘The house that jack built’, ‘that Jack built’ is an adjectival phrase distinguishing one particular house from others. It serves the same role as an adjective such as ‘red’ or ‘big’. ‘That’ can also be a conjunction, serving to link or associate two ideas or clauses. But **Xerxes** is right - the so-called rules are impenetrably foggy and ‘experts’ can argue back and forth for hours to no great effect. As with most things pertaining to so-called ‘correct’ use of language, what matters above all is that your meaning is clear and unambiguous. ---
**Author:** ![barbitu8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@barbitu8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barbitu8)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2003, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/english-majors-i-that-i-or-i-which-i/210446/8 "2003-10-30T21:57:40Z")
“That” would be correct if you sent more than one email to different persons on September 19, 2003.