# Enough about "nice guys." What about "nice girls?" **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 3, 2005, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387 "2005-08-03T02:22:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/81 "2005-08-04T20:44:48Z")
> [@Sensibility](#): > > Me??? Chatting you up??? Im far too much of a ‘NICE GIRL’ to do that Johnny! 🙂 > > MMMM…a Cal-Mex restaurant in London??? If I promise to behave, do I get to sample the food beore you open to the public!!! Who cooks you or your partner? (just so I know who to stay on the right side of you understand! ) 🙂 > > Now where did I put that property magazine… 😃 Actually, we’d set up a studio instead of a restaurant. I’d have to cook at home. Pard Jerry is part-Mexican, so he can dish up the pozole and the menudo. Probably the carne asada, too. I can do the tacos, burritos, sincronizadas, beans, etc. I think I can pull off the carnitas, though I haven’t tried yet. 😉 How easy is it to get avocados and tortillas in London? ---
**Author:** ![Sensibility](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Sensibility](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sensibility)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2005, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/82 "2005-08-04T21:00:20Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > Actually, we’d set up a studio instead of a restaurant. I’d have to cook at home. Pard Jerry is part-Mexican, so he can dish up the pozole and the menudo. Probably the carne asada, too. I can do the tacos, burritos, sincronizadas, beans, etc. I think I can pull off the carnitas, though I haven’t tried yet. 😉 > > How easy is it to get avocados and tortillas in London? EASY PEASY!!! Specially if it means we will get your studio here AND a couple who have just the BEST hosted parties ever!! I can provide the wines!! Blimey…Im getting hungry just READING about it! Looking at who cooks what - guess I would have to be nice to BOTH of you then…! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/83 "2005-08-05T00:09:54Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > You’ve seen UltraChrist!. \ Whatwasdat?!?! Please to explain? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/84 "2005-08-05T00:15:38Z")
> [@Sensibility](#): > > Looking at who cooks what - guess I would have to be nice to BOTH of you then…! 😃 Gotta love a woman whose stomach is the ways to her heart. Well, maybe not the ONLY way… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MaddyStrut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dbc845/32.png) [@MaddyStrut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaddyStrut)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/85 "2005-08-05T01:57:16Z")
> [@KarlGrenze](#): > > Ok, what exactly is aiming out of their league? Who is to decide that other than the two people involved? > > I don’t want to be rude, seriously… I’m just curious about that part. I ask because friends have sometimes tried to set me up with someone or made comments about how another guy and I would make such a good couple, when in fact that guy, while a good person, is the last one I’d date. > > Also, I feel (perhaps by watching shows and movies) that “out of their league” usually means someone that is (considered) more handsome than they are. **QuickSilver** pretty much explained it. I’ll just add that it’s not always a matter of looks. For example, if a guy finds intellectual ability to be the primary factor in attractiveness and I fall below his threshold but still pursue him, I’m aiming out of my league. Also, I want to clarify that I capitalized “Smart Women” and “Strong Women” to indicate the type who blame that as the one and only reason for lack of romantic success. There is nothing wrong with being a smart or strong woman (I aim to be as much of both as possible). Most guys I know really like smart, strong women! For what it’s worth, I’ve rarely been interested in guys my friends hook me up with either. I try not to get me down. I figure it’s not really a good judge of who they feel is “the best I can do.” More often, it’s a matter of knowing two unattached people, neither is horrific, so you fix them up. Also, sometimes people ask to be fixed up with you. I’m surprised how many of my friends (and we’re all in our late 30’s) are still afraid to ask someone out themselves and request a 3rd party set up. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/86 "2005-08-05T02:07:31Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Gotta love a woman whose stomach is the ways to her heart. I like kissing women’s belly buttons. From the inside. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sensibility](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Sensibility](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sensibility)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/87 "2005-08-05T08:23:37Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Gotta love a woman whose stomach is the ways to her heart. > > Well, maybe not the ONLY way… 😃 A good meal, a glass of wine, a walk along the embankment…(providing its all in the right company you understand) … a wonderul feeling… Suppose that makes me a romantic, as well as a nice girl ! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sensibility](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Sensibility](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sensibility)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/88 "2005-08-05T08:26:11Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > I like kissing women’s belly buttons. > > From the inside. > > 😃 😕 from the inside of what? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/89 "2005-08-05T10:50:47Z")
> [@Sensibility](#): > > Suppose that makes me a romantic, as well as a nice girl ! 😃 Ah. You’re one of _those_. :rolleyes: Where are all the women who just want a good shag instead of going on a walkabout. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jennyrosity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@Jennyrosity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennyrosity)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/90 "2005-08-05T12:38:21Z")
Indoors? ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/91 "2005-08-05T13:28:05Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > \ Whatwasdat?!?! > > Please to explain? Wow. It’s just that your explanation of the ‘numbers’ system… “8’s don’t date 2’s”, etc. - it’s very similar to a speech given by a drunk guy, to Jesus, in UltraChrist!, a hilarious little indie movie. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/92 "2005-08-05T13:31:44Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Wow. It’s just that your explanation of the ‘numbers’ system… “8’s don’t date 2’s”, etc. - it’s very similar to a speech given by a drunk guy, to Jesus, in UltraChrist!, a hilarious little indie movie. Sounds like I need to see it. If for no other reason than the title itself. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/93 "2005-08-05T13:48:15Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Sounds like I need to see it. If for no other reason than the title itself. 🙂 It’s a hoot. Available via Amazon, or Netflix. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/94 "2005-08-05T14:56:54Z")
> [@irishgirl](#): > > My only relationship advice to people is that if you’re meant to be together it should be easy…even when it’s hard, it’ll feel easy. If it feels like hard work to even organise a date, it’s not working. > > Example…for the first 18 months of my relationship with my guy we lived in different countries, saw each other every 3 months and were only able to phone each other every 2 or 3 days. None of it felt like hard work; it was worth it because we loved each other, it worked because we felt it was worth it. The relationship before that, I was living in the same city as the guy and saw him every day, and just sitting across a table from him was exhausting. > > All relationships require work, but if it feels like hard labour, it’s not worth it. This suddenly causes recent events in my life to make a LOT more sense. I’ll have to remember it. Thanks, \*\*irishgirl[/]! ---
**Author:** ![Sensibility](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Sensibility](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sensibility)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/95 "2005-08-05T21:58:15Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Ah. You’re one of _those_. :rolleyes: > > Where are all the women who just want a good shag instead of going on a walkabout. > > 😃 In the ‘Bad Girl’ category of course! Tee hee ---
**Author:** ![MadderMitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadderMitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadderMitch)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2005, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/96 "2005-08-05T23:58:16Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > I like kissing women’s belly buttons. > > From the inside. > > 😃 We have the makings of a Ted Bundy here folks. ---
**Author:** ![Telperien](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/65b543/32.png) [@Telperien](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperien)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/97 "2005-08-06T02:36:32Z")
As much as I personally am enjoying the hijacks, especially the **Johnny L.A.** -themed ones… **MaddyStrut,** I too am somewhat non-interested in people with whom I’ve been set up. I wondered if I gave my supposed friends the wrong impression of what I was interested in (though be it noted that I never ask to be set up–it just seems to happen) but your explanation makes me feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Sensibility](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Sensibility](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sensibility)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/98 "2005-08-06T09:26:19Z")
**As much as I personally am enjoying the hijacks, especially the Johnny L.A.-themed ones…** sorry Harimad-sol, didnt mean to hijack - have still been reading the thread AND enjoying it - honestly…! Just by way of a contribution, Im in the ‘nice girl’ camp. The problem is with differentiating between the two, we’re sort of making moral judgements arent we? Notice we dont say bad girls and good girls? We say bad girls and nice girls, - implying that to be a nice girl is good? So what do we mean by ‘nice’? You may find a girl who doesnt sleep around but who is an absolute cow! Is she a ‘nice girl’? You may also find a girl who seems to have had more than her fair share of sexual partners, but is actually a really ‘nice’ person - is she a ‘bad girl’? One of the earlier posts made the comment that bad girls are those men go out with (putting it VERY politely), nice girls are those men settle down with! If thats the case, if there were NO ‘bad girls’, men would have a pretty boring time in the lead up to finding their ‘nice girl’ wouldnt they? In reverse, if there were no ‘nice girls’ would men then choose from the ‘bad girls’ after all? Personally? I dont think its really about bad girl or nice girl, or bad guy or nice guy either. I think its down to attraction - literally. Sometimes its an instant thing, sometimes its something that develops, sometimes it only ever gets to a first stage, sometimes its a full blown relationship and you dont even know where it started or how it all came about. Theres no doubt that men SEEM to be attracted to ‘bad girls’ for ‘fun’ , but surprisingly enough, I think its often the case that the ‘nice girls’ would be JUST AS MUCH if not MORE fun - if men just took a moment to realise that maybe - under the nice exterior (the one on display?) the ‘nice girl’ could very well be the raunchiest woman in the place - and probably is! imho ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/99 "2005-08-06T13:36:00Z")
> [@Sensibility](#): > > have still been reading the thread AND enjoying it - honestly…! Psst! People are starting to talk! We should meet secretly, lest we cause a scandal. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2005, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-about-nice-guys-what-about-nice-girls/315387/100 "2005-08-06T13:40:02Z")
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