# Enough from the defenders of rapists already **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 23, 2014, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392 "2014-11-23T05:26:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2014, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/841 "2014-12-30T22:11:26Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > As to your larger point, I don’t agree that you have to have exact numbers established by statistical methods in order to do good probabilistic reasoning. You can, for everyday purposes, get by with rough rules of thumb like “I don’t know means 50/100” and “I’m almost certain means 90/100” etc. Simpler than that (and also closer to what we’re discussing here), saying: “_X is more likely than Y_” does not imply that you know the likelihood of either X or Y, or how much more likely X is than Y. (A simple example of this is the statement: “_it’s more likely to rain on a cloudy day than on a clear day_”.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2014, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/842 "2014-12-30T23:14:24Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Simpler than that (and also closer to what we’re discussing here), saying: “_X is more likely than Y_” does not imply that you know the likelihood of either X or Y, or how much more likely X is than Y. (A simple example of this is the statement: “_it’s more likely to rain on a cloudy day than on a clear day_”.) Every day is a cloudy day and clear day and a rainy day and a rainless day somewhere on earth. And weather causation has nothing to do with rape causation. What you call probabilistic reasoning is called irrelevant speculation designed to mislead the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/843 "2014-12-31T16:23:02Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Regarding the prostitute/virgin rape accusation scenario, is this, in your view, the same idea put a different way? > > Assume two rape accusations, A1 and A2. For each accusation, there is a body of evidence, respectively E(A1) and E(A2). One of the elements of E(A1) is _i_=“When presented with the opportunity, the accuser frequently consents to sex.” One of the elements of E(A2) is _j_=“When presented with the opportunity, the accuser frequently does not consent to sex.” > > Consider F(A1), which includes only and all the elements of E(A1) _except_ for _i_. And consider F(A2), which includes only and all the elements of E(A2) _except_ for _j_. > > Now compute a probability for the statement _L_=“the accuser is lying” for all four of E(A1), E(A2), F(A1) and F(A2). > > Is the following basically the same as what you’re saying? > > P(_L_(E(A1))) - P(_L_(F(A1))) \> P(_L_(E(A2))) - P(_L_(F(A2))) > > (I’m trying to avoid the original stipulation, which I think was granted simply to make the argument simpler, that the two bodies of evidence are ‘otherwise identical’ since, for reasons I’ve explained earlier in this thread, it is very difficult to know exactly what that amounts to, without just resorting to saying there simply is _no_ other evidence, which has been tried in the thread and led to no progress.) I was never good at algebra but I came up with P=5. Was I close? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2015, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/844 "2015-01-01T20:09:08Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > I was never good at algebra but I came up with P=5. Was I close? Probabilistically and statistically speaking, you’ve nailed the snipe. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/845 "2015-01-08T03:50:28Z")
Some updates to the Bill Cosby saga: [Words from Phyllicia Rashad](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bill-cosby-scandal/bill-cosbys-tv-wife-phylicia-rashad-defends-co-star-forget-n281211): > [@](#): > > “Forget these women,” Rashad told the entertainment website in an interview posted late Tuesday. “What you’re seeing is the destruction of a legacy. And I think it’s orchestrated.” > > “Someone is determined to keep Bill Cosby off TV,” Rashad was quoted as saying. “And it’s worked.” After the allegations, TV Land pulled “Cosby Show” reruns, Netflix postponed a streaming Bill Cosby special and NBC pulled the plug on a sitcom it was developing with the comedian. [Words from Keshia Knight Pulliam](http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/keshia-knight-pulliam-bill-cosby-great-man-article-1.2067783) (Rudy Huxtable on Cosby show) > [@](#): > > “None of us were there; there are two sides to a story, and we are in America, and it is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law,” she said during her appearance on Williams’ talk show. > > “It’s a horrible situation however you slice it," she added. > > “But I feel that once the dust settles, then people will recognize how much he’s given to our society with all of his work. You can’t take that away.” Two more women have joined the [defamation lawsuit against Cosby](http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/06/us/bill-cosby-accusers-defamation-lawsuit/index.html): > [@](#): > > As Bill Cosby faces a slew of sexual assault allegations, two women are joining a defamation lawsuit against him. > > Linda Traitz told CNN that she and fellow accuser Therese Serignese are joining the suit, which was originally filed by Tamara Green. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/846 "2015-01-08T04:06:46Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > [Words from Phyllicia Rashad](http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bill-cosby-scandal/bill-cosbys-tv-wife-phylicia-rashad-defends-co-star-forget-n281211): While I was posting that, [another news story](http://www.people.com/article/phylicia-rashad-bill-cosby-misquoted) writes that Phylicia Rashad was misquoted. She clarified her statement to say: > [@](#): > > Phylicia Rashad is setting the record straight about her recent comments defending her former costar Bill Cosby. > > In an exclusive interview on World News Tonight with David Muir Wednesday night, Rashad, 66, said remarks attributed to her in Roger Friedman’s Showbiz 411 column Tuesday – in which she was quoted as saying, “Forget these women” – are not accurate. > > “That is not what I said. What I said is, ‘this is not about the women. This is about something else. This is about the obliteration of legacy.’” It makes one wonder where those quotes came from. They’re circling in multiple news articles. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/847 "2015-01-08T04:14:03Z")
It should be noted that Traitz isn’t really actually sexual assault or rape (how many does this make now?), merely that Cosby offered her drugs and came on to her. It should also be noted that she has a lengthy criminal history, including acts of deception and fraud. [Cite](http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/20/bill-cosby-sexual-assault-accuser-prison-fraud-linda-joy-traitz/). The attempted cash grab - which I suspect is largely lawyer engineered and driven - has begun. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/848 "2015-01-08T04:39:55Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > While I was posting that, [another news story](http://www.people.com/article/phylicia-rashad-bill-cosby-misquoted) writes that Phylicia Rashad was misquoted. She clarified her statement to say: > It makes one wonder where those quotes came from. They’re circling in multiple news articles. The following remarks are part of Roger Friedman’s column today: > [@](#): > > I am very dismayed by the attacks I’m seeing on Phylicia Rashad. She spoke to me reluctantly, and did not want to become part of the media grinder. She was defending her friend, and I encouraged her. Frankly, no matter what Gloria Allred, Janice Dickinson or Beverly Johnson says, everything leveled at Bill Cosby is just an allegation. There are no police records, no arrests, convictions, trials, etc. > > This doesn’t mean I think he’s innocent or not guilty. (Just watch the vultures turn this way now.) But Bill Cosby deserves a defense from his friends if they choose to give one. Not only that, but Phylicia Rashad is no dummy. Some accused her of trying to save her residuals from The Cosby Show. That’s insane. There is no financial motivation. Rashad is a smart woman. She is allowed her opinion. Give her credit for defending someone she knew for a dozen years at the height of his fame. > > \ > > I do think if Meryl Streep or Glenn Close had said the same things about Bill Cosby, no would have dared criticize them. > > And for those celebrities that have: just think what would happen if allegations started pouring out of the wood work about you. Regardless of truth. To be tried in public, and ruined, is something so easily done to anyone. [Cite](http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/01/07/phylicia-rashad-stop-before-you-attack-her-bill-cosby-could-be-anybody) ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/849 "2015-01-08T04:43:05Z")
Seems a little hypocritical to speak of “the vultures turning this way now” when before that you’ve pointed out you quoted a woman who spoke to you reluctantly and who didn’t want to get put out to dry with the media. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2015, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/850 "2015-01-08T05:25:45Z")
Y’know, Cosby’s friends (those of anyone in such a situation) should be very wary of anyone in media actively soliciting their opinion. Those who wish to say something pro or con should put it out there of their own initiative when and if comfortable with themselves about it and through their own chosen channels and control the message. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/851 "2015-01-09T06:49:35Z")
Vivica A. Fox is speaking out in support of Bill Cosby: ‘‘The Man I Met Was Nothing Like the Man They Are Describing’’. The rest of her comments can be found [here](http://www.eonline.com/news/612723/vivica-a-fox-defends-bill-cosby-the-man-i-met-was-nothing-like-the-man-they-are-describing). ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/852 "2015-01-10T06:13:53Z")
Hannibal Buress, the man credited with starting the Cosby media storm, clarifies that he didn’t ever accuse Cosby of rape and that he doesn’t have a smoking gun. His joke was just reminding people that some women did accuse Cosby of rape. > [@](#): > > Don’t shoot the messenger … Comedian Hannibal Buress says he never accused Bill Cosby of raping women … he merely reminded people LOTS of women did. > > The former SNL writer credited for re-invigorating Cosby’s rape allegations during a show last fall cleared things up for a crowd at the Knitting Factory in Brooklyn a couple weeks back. > > Buress says he’s sick of being called the catalyst and wants people to know he isn’t a detective and doesn’t have a smoking “coochie sweater” to take Cosby down. [TMZ](http://www.tmz.com/2015/01/09/hannibal-buress-bill-cosby-rape-accusations-video/) (I couldn’t get the video to play for me) ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/853 "2015-01-10T06:45:55Z")
Protesters are planning to disrupt a Cosby performance. This one is scheduled for Friday night, 1/9/15. > [@](#): > > About 75 per cent of the 2,200 seats in Hamilton Place’s Great Hall have been sold. The Woman Abuse Working Group is planning a peaceful protest outside the building prior to the 8 p.m. performance. > > But the real concern for Global Spectrum is a group, spearheaded by local writer Anne Bokma, who’ve bought tickets with the expressed aim of interrupting Cosby’s act. > > Bokma says the group, having received advice from legal and civil disobedience experts, is well aware they’re running the risk of being charged with creating a disturbance, mischief or trespassing. [The Hamilton Spectator](http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/5249625-dreschel-hamilton-place-ramps-up-cosby-security/) I’ll be interested to see what they do, but I’m not getting the point of this. They paid for tickets which means that they’re giving money to Cosby. He’s getting paid if they show up or not. Comedians are used to hecklers, so it won’t be news to him. I’m sure he’s been expecting for something to happen. But mostly, they’re ruining the show for other people who paid for entertainment. I can understand people protesting something they don’t like. But this doesn’t seem to be doing anything other than hurt the innocent people who paid a lot of money for a show. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/854 "2015-01-10T09:59:33Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I can understand people protesting something they don’t like. But this doesn’t seem to be doing anything other than hurt the innocent people who paid a lot of money for a show. That’s the point: inconvenience the people at _this_ show enough so that people won’t go to _the next_ show. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/855 "2015-01-10T15:55:25Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > I can understand people protesting something they don’t like. But this doesn’t seem to be doing anything other than hurt the innocent people who paid a lot of money for a show. Except that the protesters believe that the attendees are _not_ innocent, but are in fact implicitly complicit in Cosby’s evasion of justice. As **Monty** so adroitly points out, the goal is to keep people away from Cosby’s shows so that he loses income and popular support. I certainly don’t agree with it, but it’s no different from any other public protest. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/856 "2015-01-10T16:37:34Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Vivica A. Fox is speaking out in support of Bill Cosby: ‘‘The Man I Met Was Nothing Like the Man They Are Describing’’. > > The rest of her comments can be found [here](http://www.eonline.com/news/612723/vivica-a-fox-defends-bill-cosby-the-man-i-met-was-nothing-like-the-man-they-are-describing). Y’know, I like THIS form of support. > [@](#): > > The Kill Bill star continued, stating that she agrees with Pulliam’s previous remarks that Cosby was an “amazing, philanthropic, inspirational guy.” > > “I have to agree with Keshia, the man I met was nothing like the man they are describing,” she said. “He was nice, kind. There was no sexual overtones or anything, so I defend him and I stand by him as well, too.” > > Viera, who has spoken out about a past abusive relationship, then noted that it will be “all the more heartbreaking if these women are correct.” > > “We shall see,” Fox replied. “We all weren’t there and as I said the man I met and worked with was nothing like that.” Respectful. This was not my experience, it is inconsistent with the man I know, we shall see, etc. Not a counterattack filled with imputations against the complainants’ character and motivations. Rashad’s comment was clumsy in making it about a “legacy” since that just brings us around to the so-often seen debate, about whether you can separate the person from the work. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/857 "2015-01-11T00:13:55Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > That’s the point: inconvenience the people at _this_ show enough so that people won’t go to _the next_ show. That’s the puzzling thing. There is no next show. There were 3 scheduled shows in Canada, and this is at the last show. These shows would have been canceled except the contracts were already in place before the media storm. The mayors of the towns wanted the venues to cancel, but the contracts prohibited that. Going forward, the mayors would not allow further contracts to be made. > [@andros](#): > > Except that the protesters believe that the attendees are _not_ innocent, but are in fact implicitly complicit in Cosby’s evasion of justice. As **Monty** so adroitly points out, the goal is to keep people away from Cosby’s shows so that he loses income and popular support. > > I certainly don’t agree with it, but it’s no different from any other public protest. If that’s what they were trying to do, they achieved the opposite. They bought tickets for the last event, giving Cosby more money than he would have gotten. Keeping other attendees away doesn’t change Cosby’s income. The ticket sales were already made. Cosby gets the same income regardless of what they do. Since there were no further shows, no one was deterred from anything. Ironically, the protesters just added to Cosby’s popular support by forcing the people attending to defend him. Here’s [a quote](http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/09/showbiz/feat-bill-cosby-rape-allegations/) from one attendee: > [@](#): > > Bruce Maslen called the performance awesome and said the protestors and hecklers didn’t spoil a thing. > > “I don’t believe he’s been charged with anything and at least in this country you’re innocent until proven guilty,” said Maslen. And here’s [a quote](http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/01/09/bill-cosbys-cognitive-dissonance-tour-ontario-shows-let-comedian-build-bubble-from-rape-accusations/) that made me laugh: > [@](#): > > The next night, outside Budweiser Gardens, a hockey arena in downtown London, Ms. Petrie, bundled up in a long black coat, took a second away from her protest. She’d been standing by the doors all night, hectoring Cosby’s fans. Most ignored her. Some paused and yelled. “Innocent until proven guilty” is what most of them said. > > She was in the middle of a sentence when she saw another group approach. “Sorry,” she said running toward them. “I have to shame those people.” This lady was so determined to tell everyone how much of a monster Bill Cosby is that she had to run toward people to attempt to shame and hurt people who aren’t doing anything to her. The bigger question for me is how anyone could be implicitly complicit in Bill Cosby’s evasion of justice. That says that people holding a negative opinion of Bill Cosby and airing it are somehow creating justice while people not holding an opinion or holding a positive opinion of Bill Cosby are somehow creating an injustice. That’s an odd view of justice to me, especially since there’s no way of knowing what really happened. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2015, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/858 "2015-01-13T05:27:24Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > [Apropos Beverly Johnson.](https://tv.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-attorney-says-cnn-decided-not-interview-215347571.html) (With a side dish of media bias) Follow-up to this article earlier in this thread. In this article, Cosby’s attorney accuses CNN of creating a smear campaign by only showing Beverly Johnson without also adding her ex-boyfriend’s testimony that she only spoke well of Cosby and that she had not told the story to him. According to TMZ, CNN sent a letter to Cosby’s attorney: > [@](#): > > We contacted CNN before the show aired, and ended up with a letter the network sent to Cosby’s lawyer saying Burk was a criminal with an ax to grind and lived with Johnson long after she was allegedly drugged. As a result they said he was not included in the special. Mark Burk, the ex-boyfriend is now suing CNN for $19M for defamation. > [@](#): > > In the lawsuit Burk says, “CNN is not a tabloid periodical ‘picking on the little guy.’ CNN is a giant that has absolutely ruined the reputation of one man.” [TMZ](http://www.tmz.com/2015/01/12/bill-cosby-cnn-lawsuit-beverly-johnson-defamation/) There seems to be a double standard for airing some people’s testimony over others’ testimony. Some people with criminal records got air time while others were deemed as unreliable witnesses. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2015, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/859 "2015-01-13T06:25:29Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#): > > This lady was so determined to tell everyone how much of a monster Bill Cosby is that she had to run toward people to attempt to shame and hurt people who aren’t doing anything to her. Typically a protester for a cause like this believes the people they are shaming are harming, either the protesters themselves, or people they care about. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2015, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392/860 "2015-01-15T09:19:14Z")
Chloe Goins is filing criminal charges against Bill Cosby. > [@](#): > > As TMZ reported … Goins alleges in 2008 she woke up naked in a bedroom with Cosby sucking her toes and masturbating after he slipped something in her drink. > > Here’s what’s unclear … the alleged incident occurred more than 6 years ago, and in California the statute of limitations for every sexual assault except rape is 6 years. We don’t know if she’s alleging rape. [TMZ](http://www.tmz.com/2015/01/14/bill-cosby-accuser-filing-charges-drugged-sexually-assaulted-chloe-goins/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-from-the-defenders-of-rapists-already/705392.md?page=42)