# Enough of this fraggin' New England weather! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 3, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009 "2017-06-03T15:41:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/21 "2017-06-05T17:16:10Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Yeah, we’re not going to shed any tears at your departure either. Bawstun. Yer welcome to it. (And probably the STBX, next year.) I absolutely can’t figure out the appeal of the place. So don’t weep for me, Bunker Hill. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/22 "2017-06-05T17:21:52Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You think New England summers are bad, you should try Wisconsin. Not only is the air a liquid, but the second you step outside, you are covered head-to-toe in woodticks, with mosquitos fighting each other for any left-over real estate. Still, the perfume of the dairy farms is what makes it so delightful. Yeah, in considering where to move this time, I put weather a hell of a lot higher on the list. It’s funny, I never thought of Sacramento as being any great shakes in that department, but it comes up high on most lists, with only the three hot (but dry) months being a downcheck. I got more spoiled living there than I knew. Most places have at least three or four months of shitty weather (hot and humid, way cold and heavy snow, or - lucky you and almost as lucky Nwingland - both. The places that have fabulous weather are pretty second rate in other ways - something like eight out of the top ten are in the Carolinas. So, Denver it is. 300+ days of sunshine, some cold and snow but not too much, a long fabulous summer… and dry, dry, dry. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/23 "2017-06-05T17:35:50Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Bawstun. Yer welcome to it. (And probably the STBX, next year.) I absolutely can’t figure out the appeal of the place. So don’t weep for me, Bunker Hill. You aren’t the only one. I got tricked into moving here 20 years ago and then trapped into not being able to leave. I still haven’t figured out the appeal either. I have to grin and look for something positive because I still have a few years left on my sentence but it isn’t easy. One of my hobbies is researching actual decent places to live. Hell, my 14 year old daughter is born and bred in Massachusetts and she is already plotting ways to leave as soon as she turns 18. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/24 "2017-06-05T18:17:04Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Now I would like that. Today I had to be out in the hellishly hot sun ( 68 F ) for several hours and I still feel unwell. Rain and Thunderstorms never hurt anybody. 68? that doesn’t even make the swimming pool water warm. Should hit 100 this week or next and stay that way through September. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/25 "2017-06-05T18:29:45Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Bawstun. Yer welcome to it. (And probably the STBX, next year.) I absolutely can’t figure out the appeal of the place. So don’t weep for me, Bunker Hill. The only thing more annoying than a NE summer is cutsey-ass spelling. You had better be a teenaged girl. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/26 "2017-06-05T18:36:51Z")
Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it. Well, I guess moving away is something. But, hey, if you can’t cut it here you can’t cut it here. No need to apologize. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/27 "2017-06-05T20:15:11Z")
Denver would sure not be my first choice. It is right on the edge of the great flat spot – go twenty or thirty miles eastward and you are right back in the suffocating humidity. I would prefer to retire to [name omitted because it is quite full enough], because it reminds me of the lovely town I was born in and has an awesome vibe. ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fleetwood/32/271_2.png) [@Fleetwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fleetwood)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/28 "2017-06-05T22:15:04Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Will NOT weep at my rearview mirror when I blow this fucking lobster pot, soon. Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/29 "2017-06-05T22:21:05Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > You aren’t the only one. I got tricked into moving here 20 years ago and then trapped into not being able to leave. I still haven’t figured out the appeal either. Boston has all of the downside of NYC combined with the charm of Philadelphia, and the attitude of Malibu. It’s a dull, uninteresting place filled with academics and upper-crust Easterners and not much else. NYC has many faults, but you can stand on any corner in any of the five boroughs and feel the vibe. In Boston, you can stand anywhere and find yourself on a dirty streetcorner getting dirty looks from the passersby. > [@Telemark](#): > > But, hey, if you can’t cut it here you can’t cut it here. No need to apologize. I didn’t. The US north and east of NYC is dead to me. (Truth tell, it’s dead to everyone but the denizens keep telling each other how great it is.) > [@eschereal](#): > > Denver would sure not be my first choice. On the one hand I am free to go anywhere; OTOH I need an intersection of weather, employability, affordability and a city/community looking to the future instead of one either mired in its past mistakes or wallowing in their glorious history. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/30 "2017-06-05T22:35:25Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I didn’t. The US north and east of NYC is dead to me. (Truth tell, it’s dead to everyone but the denizens keep telling each other how great it is.) > > On the one hand I am free to go anywhere; OTOH I need an intersection of weather, employability, affordability and a city/community looking to the future instead of one either mired in its past mistakes or wallowing in their glorious history. Yeah, look for a place with a strong biotech or software industry, or at least has a university that might be an incubator for such things. That’s the future. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/31 "2017-06-05T22:38:25Z")
No idea what he’s going on about, but it’s cold. We have four seasons - summer, leaves, cold, and mud. Summer is late this year, we’re still at cold/mud, in _ **June,** _ and that’s just bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/32 "2017-06-05T22:39:12Z")
Incubator for biotech? That sounds kind of odd. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/33 "2017-06-05T22:41:53Z")
Meh. I just spent the week on Cape Cod and it was marvelous. We sailed in gorgeous mist, sat on the beach in sweatshirts and felt the sun and spray. Hikes the marshes in cool weather. It was marvelous. Give me New England any day. And I lived in San Deigo and I love New England weather better. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/34 "2017-06-05T22:56:48Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Meh. I just spent the week on Cape Cod and it was marvelous. And you don’t live there full time because… Big diff between places that are nice to visit **in season** , and places to live with year round, year after year. I have a friend here in town who’s a real Nantucket baby. I asked her why she and her husband didn’t live there and run a B&B as they do here. She just looked at me, and said, “Because people come there in season, and only then, for a reason!” ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/35 "2017-06-05T23:00:38Z")
I actually lived in CT and Boston most of my adult life. I grew up in Buffalo, for ffs. I also spend chunks of time on the Cape at all times of the year and we’re already looking at retirement options on the Cape, so there you go. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/36 "2017-06-05T23:06:25Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Incubator for biotech? That sounds kind of odd. I heard once that a biotech company bought out the old New England Confectionery Company (maker of Necco wafers) building in Cambridge. They had to sandblast the whole interior; the walls are brick, and sugar from decades of candy making had permeated the pores of the bricks. They didn’t want any biological contamination to start feeding on the sugar. It wasn’t that long ago, but I can’t find any reference to it online. Maybe it was an urban legend that never caught on. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/37 "2017-06-05T23:08:42Z")
I’ll ask my husband. He worked for a major biotech firm in Cambridge until recently. Maybe he’s heard the story! ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/38 "2017-06-05T23:59:09Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > I also spend chunks of time on the Cape at all times of the year and we’re already looking at retirement options on the Cape, so there you go. Right. It’s a place to visit, and maybe retire to, because living there is just about impossible unless your family tree is full of Kennedys. Pretty much the same argument from people who go on and on about how great East Frogsass, Kaintucky is, and how they can’t wait to get there… when they retire. Because, of course, East Frogsass has absymal schools, lousy medical care, a total lack of jobs and absolutely nothing to do that doesn’t involve sitting around gloating at how wonderful it is to live there. So you can’t live there until you collect your pension from the job you had where there were good-paying jobs, and a community worth raising your kids in, etc. I’d get less irritated at this kind of bitching if the bitcher would at least acknowledge that the place they hate so much has everything their life needed, and the place they adore is only good to sit, grow old and rot in. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/39 "2017-06-06T00:03:48Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Right. It’s a place to visit, and maybe retire to, because living there is just about impossible unless your family tree is full of Kennedys. > > Pretty much the same argument from people who go on and on about how great East Frogsass, Kaintucky is, and how they can’t wait to get there… when they retire. Because, of course, East Frogsass has absymal schools, lousy medical care, a total lack of jobs and absolutely nothing to do that doesn’t involve sitting around gloating at how wonderful it is to live there. So you can’t live there until you collect your pension from the job you had where there were good-paying jobs, and a community worth raising your kids in, etc. > > I’d get less irritated at this kind of bitching if the bitcher would at least acknowledge that the place they hate so much has everything their life needed, and the place they adore is only good to sit, grow old and rot in. Wait, you were bitching about the weather, and ITD said she thought the weather was awesome when she was just there - so now it’s not the weather it’s everything else? ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009/40 "2017-06-06T00:10:34Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Right. It’s a place to visit, and maybe retire to, because living there is just about impossible unless your family tree is full of Kennedys. > > Pretty much the same argument from people who go on and on about how great East Frogsass, Kaintucky is, and how they can’t wait to get there… when they retire. Because, of course, East Frogsass has absymal schools, lousy medical care, a total lack of jobs and absolutely nothing to do that doesn’t involve sitting around gloating at how wonderful it is to live there. So you can’t live there until you collect your pension from the job you had where there were good-paying jobs, and a community worth raising your kids in, etc. > > I’d get less irritated at this kind of bitching if the bitcher would at least acknowledge that the place they hate so much has everything their life needed, and the place they adore is only good to sit, grow old and rot in. Wow. Move the goal posts much? I’m not sure what you’re complaining about now, but as I said, I lived the majority of my professional career in CT, which last I check is in New England. Hardly “rotting”. Plus, um, what bitching am I doing about my current locale??? I just returned from the Cape yesterday so I mentioned as a direct reply to your OP about hating the weather. But since you moved the goal posts, I’d live on the Cape in a heartbeat but my subfield isn’t well represented there. However I know many scientists at MBL in Woods Hole that live there year round. And again, I’ve lived most of my adult professional life in New England so find something else to decide I’m wrong about now. Leave NE, fine by me. But I’d be surprised if the happiness you seek will have anything to do with what town you’re in. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-of-this-fraggin-new-england-weather/788009.md?page=3)