# Enough with the fucking Anti Anti Fat people! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 3, 2003, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690 "2003-03-03T01:08:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/121 "2003-03-04T19:55:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Judith Prietht \* > **erislover** , just to clarify your previous post, are you saying changing one’s diet or amount of exercise “isn’t that big of a deal”? Pretty much. That I can contribute to our economic culture is largely important to many. I can do that while being overweight. The portion of my life that would be devestated by a weight problem is only my concern, and those that love me. (granting non-extreme uses of “weight problem” for a sensible generalization) Same reason smoking isn’t a big deal to me, either. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/122 "2003-03-04T19:57:56Z")
**Philster** , I’m curious as to why you find it necessary to insult someone merely because they are fat. People aren’t flaming you because they are mean, but rather because you are coming across as a bit of an asshole. > [@](#): > > Bitterness permeates the post above. I don’t get the bitterness over someone being proud of taking care of one’s self. I don’t get it. Chastised for taking care of one’s self. You are not being chastised for taking care of yourself. Just so you don’t claim that I’m just a bitter fat person, I work out between five or six times a week for at least one hour each time. I also take the stairs a few times a day.I currenly weigh about 215 pounds on a 6ft2 frame. This equates to my wearing trousers that are either a 34 or a 36 depending on the manufacturer and the cut of the pants. In short, I am in good shape. I still don’t see the need to denigrate another person in order to feel better about myself. What difference does it make to you whether someone is fat, thin, bald, not bold or whatever? Does it somehow improve your life? ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/123 "2003-03-04T20:12:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tee \* > \*\* “How dare they enjoy food. Why aren’t they dieting.” There is no law, no consensus, no cite available for the notion that ‘everyone should be as small as they possibly can’ just because they can. They might have a point with regards to health issues. But that’s it… > > I freaking hate when people diet… > > So the “fat = unhappy loser” view is entirely unsupported. Voicing it here leaves you open to the possibility that someone just as non-fat as you will come along and call you an asshole, and really mean that you appear to be an asshole. That’s my two cents. 🙂 \*\* My point about the women at work is that I have to constantly hear them talk about their stupid fucking diets and then watch them eat everything in sight. I get sick of hearing, “oh, I need to lose some weight,” only to watch them eat a huge slab of cake!! It’s not as if they’re happy being overweight, they’re not proud of it, they don’t like it, they want to lose it, but they continuously eat and eat and eat. Excuse me if I cannot see the logic in that. I don’t think that all fat people=unhappy loser. It’s just that the ones I see sure do seem unhappy with the way they look. Hey, I might be an asshole, but at least I’m not cryassing about my big butt all the fucking time. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/124 "2003-03-04T20:26:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Indygrrl \* > It’s not as if they’re happy being overweight, they’re not proud of it, they don’t like it, they want to lose it, but they continuously eat and eat and eat. Excuse me if I cannot see the logic in that. Why do you suppose they don’t like being overweight? > [@](#): > > It’s just that the ones I see sure do seem unhappy with the way they look. Probably because it is important to a great many people, and so it must become important to them even if they don’t want it to be. Hey, that’s life, I know. But just so we’re clear here, the cause of unhappiness might just be the standard, not the willpower, you know? **yosemitebabe** tried bringing up anorexia. All they have to do is eat, right? **erl** ’s rule of thumb: if the answer ever can be summed up with, “It’s just that simple”, then the answer is wrong, unless the question is asking about the simpleness of the mind comtemplating the problem, in which case the answer is indeed trivial. 😉 > [@](#): > > Hey, I might be an asshole, but at least I’m not cryassing about my big butt all the fucking time. Saint material, I know. 😛 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/125 "2003-03-04T20:48:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Indygrrl \* > \*\*My point about the women at work is that I have to constantly hear them talk about their stupid fucking diets and then watch them eat everything in sight. I get sick of hearing, “oh, I need to lose some weight,” only to watch them eat a huge slab of cake!! It’s not as if they’re happy being overweight, they’re not proud of it, they don’t like it, they want to lose it, but they continuously eat and eat and eat. Excuse me if I cannot see the logic in that. > > I don’t think that all fat people=unhappy loser. It’s just that the ones I see sure do seem unhappy with the way they look. Hey, I might be an asshole, but at least I’m not cryassing about my big butt all the fucking time. \*\* Indygirl… Workout and proper diet are only two legs on a three legged stool. The third leg being education. In part, (and abbreviated) Education as to what types of diets and exercises work for each person (obviously there IS no “one size fits all” get in shape plan). The most important type of education for a huge percentage of overwieght people, especially those like your coworkers is emotional education, or, “it’s not what you’re eating, it’s what’s eating you”. It’s nice to be idealistic and young or have a perfect metabolism and think that the solution is just a simple willpower or “stop eating and jump on a treadmill once in a while”. And if you’re 25 and under, that very may WELL work…for awhile. No one gets through this life without their cross to bear. And as so many others here have very eloquently said, having negative feedback, in your words “stop f\*\*king eating so much and jump on a treadmill!!!” isn’t going to help your coworkers at all!! In fact, it’ll likely make it worse. Even if you don’t say anything, you don’t think they can feel the disapproval coming off of you? The sidelong looks etc? Until they find what works for them, and the education and support to follow it through, they are likely to stay trapped where they are. It’s not the “huge slabs of cake” that are the problem, it’s the hole they are trying to fill with the cake. Giving them grief won’t fix that hole. ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/126 "2003-03-04T20:52:05Z")
Maybe the clarity was lost somewhere, but insulting fat people and acting ignorant was a way to get people to respond by calling ME names and harrassing me with their opinions about how I should act. Verbal assaults intent on altering my behavior and exposing a few hypocrites have been numerous. Truly, if I am stupid and or ignorant for the moo comment, should I be pricked? Wouldn’t I bleed like the over weight person who was assaulted verbally or insulted somehow? ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/127 "2003-03-04T20:55:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Philster \* > \*\*Maybe the clarity was lost somewhere, but insulting fat people and acting ignorant was a way to get people to respond by calling ME names and harrassing me with their opinions about how I should act. \*\* Sooo - you were trolling then Phil? Trying to get a reaction from people by making ignorant, insulting comments? ---
**Author:** ![Profane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@Profane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Profane)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/128 "2003-03-04T21:01:25Z")
Making rude, insulting remarks like “moo” hurts other people. Being fat doesn’t affect or hurt other people. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/129 "2003-03-04T21:03:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Philster \* > **Maybe the clarity was lost somewhere, but insulting fat people and acting ignorant was a way to get people to respond by calling ME names and harrassing me with their opinions about how I should act. Verbal assaults intent on altering my behavior and exposing a few hypocrites have been numerous.** Ah, I see. Not to be a member of the Junior Mod Squad, but that’s called trolling and is frowned upon. > [@](#): > > \*\*Truly, if I am stupid and or ignorant for the moo comment, should I be pricked? Wouldn’t I bleed like the over weight person who was assaulted verbally or insulted somehow? \*\* And overweight equates to ignorant/rude how? You do see the difference between being insulted while minding your own business not hurting anyone and being insulted for being an ignorant, rude prick, right? ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/130 "2003-03-04T21:16:08Z")
Nice ‘trolling’ try, except it was part of a point being made in a thread. Oh, please don’t report me! ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/131 "2003-03-04T21:16:09Z")
Btw, I am nice to the dieting ladies in my office, after all, they bring me cake.😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/132 "2003-03-04T21:19:16Z")
**Philster** , if you were trying to make a point with that remark you failed. There’s no moral equivalent between ridiculing someone for something that _just doesn’t affect you_ and ridiculing someone for being an ignorant asshole. Somehow **that** point keeps getting missed by you… ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/133 "2003-03-04T21:21:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Philster \* > \*\*Nice ‘trolling’ try, except it was part of a point being made in a thread. \*\* And what was the point? That it’s ok to make fun of people because of their size? That was your point, and now you’re trying to claim that people calling you an asshole for making such an assholish point is the same as you making it in the first place? Well, _THAT_ clears everything up! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![sperfur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9adbd/32.png) [@sperfur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sperfur)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/134 "2003-03-04T21:33:05Z")
Yes, **CanvasShoes** , I’d love to see what websites you have. I’m not worried about not losing weight for the past 3 weeks (although I will admit I find it irritating) - I was just using that as an example of why I felt lowering your calories doesn’t work (once you’ve dieted your metabolism to a crawl). I know my metabolism won’t hold out forever and I’ll start losing again. In fact, the dietician told me I need to _increase_ my calories to get the ball rolling again. That’s why I said I had it under control. Sorry if you found my first example lacking - I didn’t explain all of this because I didn’t want to give a ‘poor poor me’ impression (and _really_ hijack the thread in the process 🙂 ) . Sounds like that’s how I came off anyway. ☹ Now I’ll do my Jon Lovitz impression: GET TO KNOW ME!, and you’ll find out I’m not really the whiny bastard I sound like I am in this thread. :o 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sperfur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9adbd/32.png) [@sperfur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sperfur)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/135 "2003-03-04T21:55:10Z")
So I was right the first time? **Philster** really is a turd? I’m sooooooooo relieved! 😃 Oh, and **CanvasShoes** , I owe you an apology. I was defensive (I blame **Philster** , **Indygrrl** , and **Tars Tarkus** - they were poking me), and I was poking back. I assumed you were poking me, too. Sorry! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/136 "2003-03-04T21:59:13Z")
For shame, **sperfur**! You know us Doughboys are supposed to giggle when we’re poked, not bite the finger off! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LolaCocaCola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7cd45c/32.png) [@LolaCocaCola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LolaCocaCola)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/137 "2003-03-04T22:01:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by alice\_in\_wonderland \* > \*\*Who are these women, exactly? If I ate 1500 calories a day, I would pass out. \*\* According to the doctor in the link below, the average woman should consume 1200 calories daily and the average man 1800 calories. [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/09/earlyshow/series/weightoff/main535866.shtml](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/09/earlyshow/series/weightoff/main535866.shtml) I’d say I probably consume an average of 1200 calories a day. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. I never go hungry, I work out regularly and am not overweight. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/138 "2003-03-04T22:06:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sperfur \* > \*\*Yes, **CanvasShoes** , I’d love to see what websites you have. > Sorry if you found my first example lacking - I didn’t explain all of this because I didn’t want to give a ‘poor poor me’ impression (and _really_ hijack the thread in the process 🙂 ) . Sounds like that’s how I came off anyway. ☹ > \*\* LOL!! Not at all, sometimes I do the same thing, meaning to try and not put too much boring information in a post and then reading it later and realizing that I didn’t put enough, or a broad enough description etc. At any rate, one of the things I’ve found is that support for weight loss, in the way of having others who are going through the same thing you are, is frequently not just “nice” but essential. This is one of the reasons programs like weightwatchers and Jenny Craig do so well, though I deplore their unhealthful “let’s starve it off” diet plans. The emotional support IS suburb. There are a number of excellent online support groups peopled with wonderfully supportive and knowledgeable people. People who’ve gone from point a to point fit and can help “newbies” starting along the same path. Here is one such group and a companion fitness site by a Doctor who specializes in fitness: > **[Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos](https://www.yahoo.com/)** > > Latest news coverage, email, free stock quotes, live scores and video are just the beginning. Discover more every day at Yahoo! If you join this group, go see the photos of a woman named Rosemary. Here’s the doc’s site: [http://www.hussman.org/fitness/](http://www.hussman.org/fitness/) Good luck!!! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/139 "2003-03-04T22:11:46Z")
**Lola** , I consume at least 2,500 calories a day - usually more like 3,000. I’ve posted pics of myself many times - the teeming millions can make their own judgements as to weather I’m overweight. ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690/140 "2003-03-04T22:12:25Z")
**Phil** , I haven’t called you any names. Please answer my question on how you’re going to avoid the side effects of aging. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enough-with-the-fucking-anti-anti-fat-people/158690.md?page=8)