# Enron's Skilling, Lay Are Convicted **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 25, 2006, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185 "2006-05-25T16:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ColonelDax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@ColonelDax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ColonelDax)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/1 "2006-05-25T16:12:10Z")
Story [here](http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=avql4Efb7_M4&refer=home). ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/2 "2006-05-25T16:15:29Z")
Woo hoo! ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/3 "2006-05-25T16:19:58Z")
With the legal talent they had, I was a bit concerned. Looks like the jury really came through. Bravo. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/4 "2006-05-25T16:28:02Z")
Hooray! I shared **lieu’s** concern and I’m glad to see the jury didn’t buy the lame “It was all Fastow’s fault” defense. “Criminalizing normal business procedure” my ass. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/5 "2006-05-25T16:37:01Z")
It was kinda funny on CNN, the were saying how the jury only took 6 days, in what was expected to be a several week decision, that that, and the fact that the asked no questions and sought no guidance that it looked like it would be an aquital. Not less then 30 seconds later… ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Carol\_the\_Impaler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_the_Impaler)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/6 "2006-05-25T16:43:34Z")
That is fantastic. Man, I hope they go to jail for a long time and are completely financially wiped out. Bastards. ---
**Author:** ![Burrido](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Burrido](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burrido)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/7 "2006-05-25T19:20:39Z")
Great! But who wants to take bets on how long both of them will actually serve in prison? 5 years? ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/8 "2006-05-25T19:32:57Z")
Not even five. A lame duck Bush on his way out could very well pardon the both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Anne\_Neville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Anne\_Neville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anne_Neville)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/9 "2006-05-25T19:56:38Z")
Good. I’ve hated Enron since [the rolling blackouts in 2000](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis#The_involvement_of_Enron). It’s really nice to see a jerk like Ken Lay get what’s coming to him. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/10 "2006-05-25T22:41:34Z")
Anybody know if these two crooks (Lay and Skilling) have money stashed abroad? Hard to believe they have any money left to pay their lawyers. Anyway, I don’t care about jailing them-just take every nickel away. Lay made a pious statement invoking God-what a piece of crap! ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/11 "2006-05-25T23:04:53Z")
[This](http://www.frogstar.com/wav/displaywav.asp?fil=applaus.wav) is most appropriate, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/12 "2006-05-25T23:06:19Z")
[QUOTE=Kythereia] [This](http://www.frogstar.com/wav/displaywav.asp?fil=applaus.wav) is most appropriate, I think. [/QUOTE] …Bugger. Can’t fault the man, though. Go find it [here](http://www.frogstar.com/wav/effects.asp) under “applaus.wav”, it’s a great site. ---
**Author:** ![Szlater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Szlater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Szlater)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/13 "2006-05-25T23:41:52Z")
[QUOTE=Burrido] Great! But who wants to take bets on how long both of them will actually serve in prison? 5 years? [/QUOTE] The BBC is [reporting](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5017298.stm) that Skilling could face 185 years, and Lay 45 years. Is it really possible that they might serve only 5 or less? > [@Cluricuan](#): > > A lame duck Bush on his way out could very well pardon the both of them. Would that have any public support? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/14 "2006-05-25T23:55:33Z")
[QUOTE=Szlater] Would that have any public support? [/QUOTE] He wouldn’t need it. That’s the nature of the pardon system. ---
**Author:** ![Burrido](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@Burrido](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burrido)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/15 "2006-05-26T03:38:41Z")
[QUOTE=Szlater] Is it really possible that they might serve only 5 or less? [/QUOTE] I was semi-joking. It just seems like these rich guys with their high buck attorneys always seem to get a sweet deal. Kozlowski got 8 to 25 yrs. With good behavior and such I’ll wager he will be down towards the bottom of that scale. Despite the fact that he conned over half a billion dollars from tyco. ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/16 "2006-05-26T04:21:16Z")
Just saw on the news that they are expected to be sentenced in September. Hey, it’s May now. Why the 4 month delay? Would your average poor guy who robs a gas station get to wander around loose for 4 months after the jury finds them guilty? Last time I saw a case in court, the Judge noted that the jury had found the guy guilty, his bail was hereby revoked, and the bailiffs were to take him into custody and escort him to the jail. ---
**Author:** ![A.R.Cane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@A.R.Cane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A.R.Cane)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/17 "2006-05-26T04:49:46Z")
In an ironic twist, sentencing is scheduled for Sept. 11. I think they should get the max to be served, at Supermax, in adjoining cells w/ Missouwi so he can send all his waking hours lecturing them on the evils of capitalism. ---
**Author:** ![picunurse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@picunurse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picunurse)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/18 "2006-05-26T04:50:03Z")
No matter how long the get they’ll be living at Club Fed. I visited someone who was at Lompoc (where the Watergate gang stayed) for a white collar crime. The fence is knee high, they have tennis and basketball courts, a track, and a nice gym. They have (or had) horses for the prisoners assigned to the flower gardens, since they are a mile or so apart. (They grow flowers for florists.) The weather is beautiful most of the time. I’m sure it will seem like prison to them, but it still seems pretty plush in comparison to other prisons. Can anyone explain to me why our local power company is expected to pay Enron the entire bill for the power purchased at illegally inflated prices? They’re in court over it now, but, so far, it looks rather grim. ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enrons-skilling-lay-are-convicted/358185/19 "2006-05-26T13:07:43Z")
[QUOTE=Szlater] Would that have any public support? [/QUOTE] It wouldn’t need any. It’s one of the things that leaving presidents will do in their last days in office. In January 2001 an outgoing Bill Clinton pardoned [a whole bunch of people](http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm), not too many of whom would have been popular choices if done while he was more accountable to the press. If the Enron thing falls to the back of the memory of the public in a few years, Bush could do it on his way out, where the news is covering the installation of a new president.