# Enterprise-Awakening Beware Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704 "2004-11-26T03:23:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/1 "2004-11-26T03:23:04Z")
This is outstanding. The Reeves-Stephens folks have another three part arc about Romulans coming up, BTW. UNSEEN Romulans, mind you. Pretty straightforward plot. Archer and company with the help of Surak’s katra recover a magic dingus. Trip and company try and rescue Archer. V’Los despite company tries to kill just about everybody. T’Pol’s clothing begins to resemble a uniform albeit constructed of spray paint. Trip takes on three Vulcan starships and gets the snot beat out of him, but you should see the other guy. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/2 "2004-11-26T03:47:05Z")
I love Judith and Garfield… they’re two of my favorite Trek authors alongside Peter David, Dafydd ab Hugh, Dean Wesley Smith, Kristine Kathryn Rusch, and three or four others. Can’t wait for the Rihannsu (Romulans to you plebians) episodes. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/3 "2004-11-26T04:25:54Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I love Judith and Garfield… They gratuitously padded _The Forge_; “My inner eyelid will protect me” when they should have explained how Erev chased away the sealot. They are paper back authors, and my experience with Trek authors is that they stuff as much Trivia into the book as possible, either to impress the reader with what they know, or make the reader think s/he is smart with what s/he reconizes. Thank goodness they gave that up after _Forge_ and _Awakening_ is a better episode. But why is V’Los such an evil bastard? How did he go from Standard Vulcan Mildly Annoying to killing lots of people? They seem to be good at resolving canon problems. Best of luck to them with unseen Romulans and presumably seen Remans in their next arc. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/4 "2004-11-26T04:29:57Z")
I’ve still not seen the episode and have no idea how gratuitous it seemed although that sort of thing annoys me as well. Most Trek books are dreck but so is a lot of any kind of literature. If you want to find gold, you have to do a little digging. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/5 "2004-11-26T04:49:51Z")
Is Peter David the guy with the Bronze age Sword Wielding guy becoming a star ship captain? You’ve not seen _The Froge_ yet? Here is a review full of spoilers: [http://scifi.about.com/od/reviews/a/forgerev.htm](http://scifi.about.com/od/reviews/a/forgerev.htm) It really bothered me that they would take a sword wiedling Conan guy, presumably teach him particle physics and put him in charge of a star ship. Sounds more like _The Navigator of Rhada_. I can’t find a link to the novel. Starships continue to function after the fall of whatever empire built them and loss of technology; they are flown by priests, the bridge lit by torches, the cargo bays filled with armored knights and horses. I think the Peter David guy would be right at home. What are the titles of the Rihannsu novels featuring the Romulan commander from _The Enterprise Incident_? Regards, Carni ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/6 "2004-11-26T04:50:09Z")
Be back in about 25 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/7 "2004-11-26T04:58:50Z")
New Frontier is the series you’re thinking of and, yes, that’s Peter David. Have you read the books or are you going entirely on reviews? Its premise is admittedly hokey but it’s done with such irreverance and humor that I gladly overlook its faults, including the ones you mentioned and a number of others, including the inclusion of characters from other series like Picard, M’ress, Arex, etc. If you think of it as “Pratchett writes Trek” instead of “Bronze Age Barbarian Captains Starship”, it’s a very delightful series. Swordhunt and Honor Blade are the Rihannsu novels, I think. I’ve yet to read them though. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/8 "2004-11-26T05:10:23Z")
Are they furthering the plot well? Is it making sense? How does Natalie Portman keep from falling out of that dress on Letterman? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/9 "2004-11-26T05:16:07Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Are they furthering the plot well? Is it making sense? How does Natalie Portman keep from falling out of that dress on Letterman? Don’t crowd me, people. Who the hell is Natalie Portman? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/10 "2004-11-26T05:18:44Z")
Hey, you started the thread. 😛 Natalie Portman has been a recurring character on the last two seasons of _Star Wars_. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/11 "2004-11-26T05:26:18Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > last two seasons of _Star Wars_. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/12 "2004-11-26T05:28:21Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Have you read the books or are you going entirely on reviews? I began one, but couldn’t finish it. The Conan=Kirk premise I mentioned above. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/13 "2004-11-26T09:15:32Z")
Your loss. They, along with the DS9 Relaunch, are the best thing Trek’s ever done. Excepting, of course, the last five seasons of Deep Space Nine itself. And Hoshi. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2004, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/14 "2004-11-26T23:27:46Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > the last five seasons of Deep Space Nine _That_ we agree on. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/15 "2004-11-27T01:19:37Z")
Well, I guess we can’t ask for young T’Pau to have that odd accent. Maybe she picks it up in the next century and a half or so. Soval must be a Cyrenite. All along he’s been waiting to come out. If it doesn’t in this episode, it’ll be in the next. I just have a feeling. (Plus, they’re forshadowing it…) Jolene is looking virtualy anorexic these days. EAT! Flesh out that once cute figure, girl. Yes, you CAN be too skinny. How would an 1800 year old katra know an Earther saying? (Just a small nit. Maybe he got it from the historical records of 1966-69.) My Star Wars reference was a little jibe, btw. Making fun of the last two movies as tho they were a below par TV series. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/16 "2004-11-27T01:24:53Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > How would an 1800 year old katra know an Earther saying? There’s a LOT of room in there. He probably found both of Archer’s brain cells and scanned them. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/17 "2004-11-27T01:29:02Z")
The Vulcan Council looks like Doctor #2 meets a Jackie Chan movie. Syrrannites. Sorry for the lousy phonetic attempt. [T’Pau](http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0954150/) is rapidly growing on me. Not only is she cute as all get out, she’s cool as a prejudiced Vulcan (yes 😉 ). Hoshi and Travis have parts, just barely tho… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/18 "2004-11-27T01:32:19Z")
Star Trek .com has a mojor spoiler in the preview for this ep. Anyone else see that? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/19 "2004-11-27T01:42:04Z")
The cave scenes all remind me of a Doctor Who ep, too. (Brain of Morbius?) So, Surak’s Katra isn’t the most important thing, hmmm… Syrran is the important guy? I guess next week will clear all that up. Ming the Merciless goes after the shuttle pod! Whee !!! Quite a bit more dialogue for the Underused Crew Memebers™ ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/20 "2004-11-27T01:43:48Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > There’s a LOT of room in there. He probably found both of Archer’s brain cells and scanned them. 😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704.md?page=2)