# Enterprise-Awakening Beware Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704 "2004-11-26T03:23:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/21 "2004-11-27T01:57:50Z")
Did Paramount lose their Pan Focus lenses? That scene was slightly annoying the way it was done. Then again, pan focus takes alot of light, so maybe they did the best they could. Soval has a battle station on NX-01, interesting. Shelob’s Lair… oooh… Quantum opens the door by doing Nipple, Nipple, Tweak, Tweak. 🙂 Oscar Gordon carrying the Egg of the Phoenis for Empress Star. Nice touch with the battle board display V’Los used. Another one bites the dust. ☹ WMDs again… sigh… [Startrek.com](http://Startrek.com)’s spoiler was the setup for the next ep of this arc. We should see Shran again. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/22 "2004-11-27T02:13:48Z")
When Archer approached the Kishara(?) obelisk did anyone else expect him to _rub his beard and weigh a bag of sand with his hand_? When V’los said, “Comb the desert”, I had a _ **Spaceballs** _ flashback, and that’s a really uncomfortable feeling, believe me! But, altogether a quite good episode. I’ll buy it. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/23 "2004-11-27T02:29:39Z")
Peter David is an excellent comic book writer (see his work on _The Incredible Hulk_, or the X-Men spin-off _X-Factor_). I’ve never read any of his novels, though. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Don’t crowd me, people. Who the hell is Natalie Portman? [Natalie Portman](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000204/) is a 23-year-old actress, who played Padme (Luke & Leia’s mother) in the _Star Wars_ prequels. (Hence **NoClueBoy** ’s reference). She’s also been in such recent movies as _Cold Mountain_ and _Garden State_. I thought “Awakening” was a decent episode, but I liked “The Forge” better. Most of “Awakening” was fairly predictable. I mean, we’d all already figured out that Archer had Surak’s katra and all that. The only real surprise was right at the end, when we found out that V’Los was planning a war against the Andorians. I’ve got to say, whether he’s strayed from the true teachings of Surak or not, V’Los seems just plain nuts. I mean, where’s the logic in starting a war with the Andorians, when that would probably bring as much harm to Vulcan as to Andoria. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/24 "2004-11-27T02:51:10Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > Most of “Awakening” was fairly predictable… V’Los seems just plain nuts. It is the middle of the arc, so I would expect it to be predictable. I would like to have some insight to V’Las. He is a rather stock character. I expect more from Reeves-Stevens already. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/25 "2004-11-27T03:20:34Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Did Paramount lose their Pan Focus lenses? That scene was slightly annoying the way it was done. Explain yourself, sir. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/26 "2004-11-27T04:26:50Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Explain yourself, sir. Pan Focus is a technique used to have everything in focus in a scene, foreground to back. The wider the angle of lens, the easier to do. However, wide angle causes an apparant perspective distortion when used close up, esp noticable with people as the subject. So, to make people look on film as normal, long focual lenghts (telephoto) are used. Apparant depth of focus (depth of field) is short. In a portrait, this works well. In movies, tho, it means having to focus anew for each new person speaking. When forground person is in focus, background person is fuzzy, and vicse versa. The only way around that was to stop down the aperture of the short tele used for these shots to an extremely small f-stop. Say f90 or f128. Most available lenses only stopdown to f22. So, some manufacturors started making short teles with the ability to stop down to that unbelieveably small f-stop. Some required a disc to be inserted, some hade the feature built in. The only downside to the small f-stop, tho, is you need an a shitload of light to shutter speeds (still) or angles (movies) practical enough. Hence the problem in that scene with T’Pol and T’Les. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/27 "2004-11-27T04:51:18Z")
What scene did you have in mind? Got a DVD recorder for Trek. This is extremely cool. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/28 "2004-11-27T05:15:47Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > [Natalie Portman](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000204/) is a 23-year-old actress, who played Padme (Luke & Leia’s mother) in the _Star Wars_ prequels. (Hence **NoClueBoy** ’s reference). She’s also been in such recent movies as _Cold Mountain_ and _Garden State_. _Garden State_’s the best movie ever. Yes it is. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/29 "2004-11-27T05:23:31Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > _Garden State_’s the best movie ever. Yes it is. …and this is a Trek thread, right? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/30 "2004-11-27T05:27:33Z")
Is it? ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/31 "2004-11-27T05:36:59Z")
Oooo Andorians. I’m glad they threw in the thing about Andoria building a superweapon to attack Vulcan based on the Xindi Happy Funball. It made sense of that episode in the Xindi arc, I liked the episode either way, but the change of “Andorian’s want a superweapon” to “Andorian’s are looking for a way to pre-emptivly strike Vulan” was welcome. Why do Vulcan’s and Andorian’s have such animosity towards eachother? Was it ever explained in detail? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/32 "2004-11-27T06:34:25Z")
They haven’t explained it much since the P’Jem debacle. It might come to a head when they get to the Babel business (it’s coming up). It’s Kir’Shara (?), and I think that’s also the name of the next episode. I wonder if the Vulcans were thinking, “Sheesh, these humans smell bad enough when they’re clean, and here’s a filthy guy who hasn’t bathed in days.” I assumed that when Archer went mentally visiting Surak, their auras were meshing together or something, as ' **plant** mentioned. All these Vulcans seem extremely emotional. I assume that they’ll settle down once the Syrannites get to take over. I still don’t see how T’Pau could pick up that accent she has when she’s older–unless she married a guy from the other side of the planet and it just rubbed off on her over time, or she went to live in Russia for a long time. Pretty good stuff. I look forward to the conclusion. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/33 "2004-11-27T08:56:41Z")
I liked this episode also. I’m starting to get worried; the more non-bad shows they string together, the more concerned I become that it’s just a lucky streak and when I let my hopes get the better of me I’m going to be bodyslammed when it returns to sucking. But I’ll enjoy it for now. I’m going to watch the episode a second time before commenting further. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/34 "2004-11-27T16:15:01Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Soval must be a Cyrenite. All along he’s been waiting to come out. If it doesn’t in this episode, it’ll be in the next. I just have a feeling. (Plus, they’re forshadowing it…) My nickel’s on Soval ending up with Surak’s katra. Much to T’Pau’s disappointment, the would-be katra grabbing hothead. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/35 "2004-11-27T17:28:50Z")
UPN needs to stop running their little two-second spoiler-glimpses of what’s coming up 20 minutes later in the show. I didn’t appreciate knowing T’Les’s fate two acts before it happened. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/36 "2004-11-27T17:39:09Z")
They’re trying to make sure no one leaves by highlighting something BIG about to happen. But, yeah, sucky as hell. I like **SBS** ’s idea. I revise my own prediction to include that developement. [Sweaty Chris Farley] That would be _awesome!_ [/SCF] ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/37 "2004-11-27T19:23:36Z")
Back again! (Imagine that.) After reading some other Trek site’s reviews, I see that there is something we Trek Dopers have missed. Surak’s katra had Quantum find the Phoenix’ Egg, right? Why him? Why didn’t he have some other earlier person do it? He didn’t even trust Syrran himself (Arev) to do it. (Yes, Syrran and Arev are one and the same.) Apparantly, Surak thinks that it has to be a non Vulcan. Well, surely, he has met (through his katra carrieres) other alien cultures. Why not use them? The answer goes back to the beginning of the first ep, _The Forge._ Vulcans see qualities in Humans that they fear. Because Hoo-mahns have the ability to be ruthlessly logical and violently illogical. And both qualities work for Humanilty. (Teela Brown Gene, anyone?) This sets us up for the needed turn around. Vulcans and Humans essentially trade places. In the TOS-DS9 era of Trek, Humans are the movers and shakers, not Vulcans. Vulcans are well known in early post TOS era as the intellectual PUPPETS! of the Federation. Yes, Quantum finds the Phoenix’ Egg and overrides Vulcanity as the prime power in this region. Soval takes his place (with Surak’s katra) as a second and moves us one step closer to the Human led and powered Federation we all know. (WAG) ---
**Author:** ![Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Bambi\_Hassenpfeffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambi_Hassenpfeffer)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/38 "2004-11-27T19:27:27Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I’m going to watch the episode a second time before commenting further. On your _TiVo_, right? 😉 I was the same way right after I got mine. I’m just dropping in to say that ENT is getting so much better. I wonder where we could’ve been if Manny and these writers had been helming the show from the get-go. I feel almost like the first three seasons were wasted, but at least maybe now they won’t cancel it right away. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2004, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/39 "2004-11-28T07:46:55Z")
Wow, I’m -really- liking these Vulcan-centric episodes! The writers are doing a great job, imho–although admittedly I’ve enjoyed most of their Trek novels. But this is the kind of stuff that we should have been seeing on **Enterprise** from the beginning. I agree with others; the show wouldn’t be in the position it’s been in of being almost -cancelled- if they’d gone about it the -right- way in the first damn place. JMHO, mind you. 😛 Hopefully they will now have a chance to lead us to the founding the Federation. And that will mean that I get to see more _Tellarites!_ Woo hoo! 🙂 Does T’Les know that T’Pol has that AIDS-like disease? I’ve never been clear on that, although I do think that T’Pol swore Phlox to secrecy. Hehe, I’ve got to add that I thought T’Pau looked a bit ragged - I mean, her hair certainly didn’t fit the normal “bowl” cut of every other Vulcan we’ve ever seen. It also looks like next week is going to be a real treat; I’ll even get to see it on Friday night. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/40 "2004-11-29T07:20:47Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Natalie Portman has been a recurring character on the last two seasons of _Star Wars_. I hated when they made Darth Vader into a good guy at the end of season six. The ratings must’ve been sagging something awful. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704.md?page=3)