# Enterprise-Awakening Beware Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2004, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704 "2004-11-26T03:23:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/61 "2004-11-29T22:19:34Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > But we have the Pep Boy, Garfield the Cat, and Superman so we’re ready to have some quality injected into this … enterprise. I _think_ your’re mixing your metaphors. My metaphor. Cervaise’s metaphor. Anyway, you watch your ass. ^:dubious:^ ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2004, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/62 "2004-11-29T22:31:33Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Anyway, you watch your ass. [Data]My physiology precludes rotation and deflexion into an orientation suitable for visual inspection of the region. Continuous use of a reflective surface is problematic. Perhaps you might maintain sufficient proximity to monitor the area? However, be careful, as movement is not forewarned and contact or embedding is highly discouraged.[/Data] ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/63 "2004-11-30T00:19:01Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > Now we’re fully cocked \ ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/64 "2004-11-30T00:44:17Z")
Better than inserting something else Ron-Jeremy-related somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/65 "2004-11-30T00:59:46Z")
Will you people get with the program? We are discussing _real people_ in Trek, not some stupid actors. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/66 "2004-11-30T01:37:53Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > That sounds quite secure, as long as they are on your side. I thought you were going to say the Klingons ran the cookout. Gagghhh. **Cook** out? What kinda Klingons are those? Other than sissies, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/67 "2004-11-30T02:31:40Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > **Cook** out? What kinda Klingons are those? Other than sissies, I mean. They do it without potholders or oven mitts. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/68 "2004-11-30T03:03:46Z")
[Scarlet O’Hara]Kang, I want to eat barbecue with you. Slay my fifty other suitors.[/Scarlet O’Hara] ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/69 "2004-11-30T15:19:54Z")
Belated Review:[ul][li]Vulcans speaking English - in Council, one-on-one, etc. - standard rant.[_]Archer comments to T’Pol, “I haven’t been myself lately.” Ah, were that it twere true.[_]At least there are _some_ skin burns and scorching on Archer from having been in the Forge.[_]Mom is still a bit too emotional when talking about how she is questioning her beliefs and chose to become a Syrranite.[_]Mom has a high position in the _cult_ for being such a recent convert (see below) :dubious:[_]When T’Pau and Mom were arguing over a melding with Archer that might kill him, at least T’Pau didn’t utter the classic Trek cliché, “The needs of the many…”[_]Why is there always thunder during the Big Ritual? :([_]So Surak put his Katra into Archer because humans are “untouched by a culture that cannot see its own imminent destruction.”? Okay, a fresh perspective. But how does that actually help the Vulcan people?[_]When the enclave is attacked, mom comes back in and says that the Vulcan ships are firing on the Enterprise. How does she know that? :dubious:[_]The patrol ships shot the enclave and blew it’s holo-generator. So how come that worked in the Forge? And so how some they couldn’t run some lights off it? And who changes the candles up on the stone archways? :dubious:[_]Why didn’t Soval mention that pesky little _War with Andoria_ detail earlier? :([/ul][/li] A point that always annoys me is how secondary/guest characters on the periphery of the main characters always end up in pivotal positions. T’Pols mom is questioning her beliefs and has recently joined the Syrranites. Now she’s conferring with #2 (T’Pau) and is leading the evacuation. I’m not saying she isn’t qualified, just that the main characters are always pulled in by artificially enhancing the logical status of the main character’s periphery character. I hated the preview-of-the-upcoming-scene-before-commercial where it clearly showed mom dying. What an assinine grabber. Why don’t you show the end of the next episode? In comment on **Cervaise** ’s comment about V’Las[sub]ic pickle[/sub] and his hand gesture - I think it was because the guy was worried his cape was going to slip off his shoulders. Those things look heavy and a bit unwieldy. Next episode - 2D space battle ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/70 "2004-11-30T15:48:02Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > mom comes back in and says that the Vulcan ships are firing on the Enterprise. How does she know that? Didn’t she say “telescopes show that…”? ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/71 "2004-11-30T15:54:07Z")
Good call. Perhaps she did. My hearing never was what it used to be. 😃 Since the Council said that Enterprise was in synchronous orbit over the Forge, I guess Mom could train a telescope on it. However, when Enterprise moved in battle I think it would be … difficult 😃 to track. On the third hand, changing the focal length I guess she could see energy beams lancing around and make an educated guess. Especially since the good guys and the bad guys always have different colored energy beams :D. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/72 "2004-11-30T19:07:16Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > On the third hand, changing the focal length I guess she could see energy beams lancing around and make an educated guess. Maybe she happened to be at Toshi Station and she borrowed Luke’s macrobinocs. “No, no, that’s the Star Destroyer; the Vulcan ships are over _there._” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/73 "2004-11-30T19:15:13Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > borrowed Luke’s macrobinocs. That’s disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/74 "2004-11-30T19:21:42Z")
I assume that you don’t mean borrow _and return_ the macrobiotics. I mean, borrowing food is one thing, but returning it after you’ve … What? It’s not macrobiotics? Oh, uh, well then… How would borrowing his macrobionics help? I thought he just hand a bionic hand. Would you really have to pull out his bionic eye and … What? It’s not … Oh, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/75 "2004-12-01T01:15:58Z")
I think that there’s gonna be a lot of people either very excited or really pissed off come Friday night. Somehow, I don’t see a lukewarm reaction, as a mediocre payoff with this much buildup would be worse than just a couple of crappy episodes. **Cervaise** , I think I need a little more clarification. What, exactly, was the ballsy part of the social/political commentary? If you’re saying that the risky part was setting it up without an immediate payoff, I suppose you have a point. But if you’re referring to the subject matter, I don’t see that they’re taking any great risk. Heck, even back in the 60’s they were able to comment on matters at least as controversial. Now, _could_ thier handling of this subject require a bit of testicular fortitute? Sure. But, as you said, they’ll have to avoid the cliches and easy answers. If their commentary consists entirely of “Pre-emptive strike bad. President…er…High Command evil.” then they’ve done nothing particulary gutsy or interesting. But if they go somewhere unexpected with it, that may be a different matter. Say, for example, the Andorians really **do** have a modified Xindi superweapon. Then things are no longer quite so straightforward. Quite frankly, the social commentary aspect has always been one of my least favorite parts of Trek. Not because I have a problem with using SF as a vehicle for that, but because so often it’s so poorly done and the issues are presented in black and white (_Let That be Your Last Battlefield_, anyone?) and frequently with a bit of a sanctimonious tone. “Oh, you silly 21st century humans. How little you’ve learned.” I generally don’t prefer to have my metephors served to me ham-fistedly with a side of self-righteousness. Other than that, pretty good episode (My wife cried during the death scene, but since she’s pregnant that’s not terribly surprising). The overall quality so far this season has made me sad for the almost wasted first three seasons. Oh, and two more signs Berman and Braga are running the campsite: [ul] [li]4. Despite the trees, animals, tents, campers, and park rangers, everyone insists that it’s not actually a campground.[/li][li]3. The rangers claim that forest fires can be put out by “reversing the polarity of the trees”.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/76 "2004-12-01T03:02:19Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > Oh, and two more signs Berman and Braga are running the campsite: > > [ul] > [li]4. Despite the trees, animals, tents, campers, and park rangers, everyone insists that it’s not actually a campground.[/li][li]3. The rangers claim that forest fires can be put out by “reversing the polarity of the trees”.[/li][/ul] [ul] [li]2. Pine trees inexplicably change into Spruce trees from one visit to the next. When you ask the park rangers what happened to the old pine trees, they reply that these new spruce trees have always been there and, besides, pine trees weren’t dramatic enough anyway.[/li][/ul] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/77 "2004-12-01T03:24:29Z")
2A) Rangers approach the cars of campers leaving the park, press a big red button and the campers never entered the park. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/78 "2004-12-01T04:41:46Z")
1. AAA guidebook ratings fall from 5 stars to 1/2 star. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/79 "2004-12-01T04:44:57Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > [ul][li]3. The rangers claim that forest fires can be put out by “reversing the polarity of the trees”.[/li][/ul] 😃 > [@Cervaise](#): > > When it’s not good, it’s about cracks in the event horizon and shit we can’t relate to. And even people who study black holes for a living can’t relate to “cracks in the even horizon.” Unless “relate to” equals “laugh at”. ---
**Author:** ![Rich\_Mann](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ce73a5/32.png) [@Rich\_Mann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rich_Mann)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2004, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704/80 "2004-12-01T07:09:06Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > That sounds quite secure, as long as they are on your side. I thought you were going to say the Klingons ran the cookout. Gagghhh. Gagghhh is best served live. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-awakening-beware-spoilers/276704.md?page=3)