# Enterprise Borderland **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 29, 2004, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791 "2004-10-29T03:00:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/1 "2004-10-29T03:00:57Z")
This is a nice adventure episode, Spiner does well. It’s nice to see JG Hertzler of General Martok fame. There is an Orion slave girl. There is a problem in the last five minutes. It really, really sucks. I offer this explanation: Malik gets the drop on Archer and tells Malcolm and the marine to lower their weapons. Now, this is Malcolm, who when the bad guy from the wild west episode held a gun to T’Pol, shrugged and stunned him in what I consider to be a classic Trek scene. But they lower their weapons and Malik drags Archer around like a doll. I’ll attempt to believe that Malix could have broken Archer’s neck as he was being stunned-it’s a good adventure episode. Keep that excuse for getting Malcolm to lower his phase pistol in mind. You’ll need it. Dammit, this wouldn’t happen to Kirk. He beats Supermen senseless with pieces of his beloved Enterprise. The _real_ one. ^:dubious:^ ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/2 "2004-10-29T03:44:12Z")
How the hell did Kirk manage to get a piece of the real Enterprise? By the time he makes Captain, the thing will’ve been sunk for half a millennia and next to useless as a tool for bludgeoning. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/3 "2004-10-29T11:36:25Z")
Did they change the theme song as speculated? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/4 "2004-10-29T12:15:57Z")
> [@athelas](#): > > Did they change the theme song as speculated? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/5 "2004-10-29T12:35:29Z")
Thank god…I was no fan of Faith of the Heart at first, but a) it’s grown on me, b) it’s PART of Enterprise, and c) The idea of having Archer do a TOS/TNG voiceover was stupid. A DS9/Voyager style instrumental without a voice-over would have been great - if they’d done it in the first season. But a VO would never have worked, and now FotH is so deeply ingrained as part of the show, it just won’t work. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/6 "2004-10-29T15:10:49Z")
I would have liked them to keep the music, but compress the current visuals to half the song (up to "'Cuz I got faith…) and then use Enterprise flying around for the remainder. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/7 "2004-10-29T18:15:11Z")
If they do wind up redoing the intro, I prefer the voice over as opposed to the instrumental piece. It’s an Enterprise so it deserves a voice over. I still want to keep \*Faith \*and the montage though. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/8 "2004-10-29T18:57:23Z")
Archer has a wonderfull line to the crew, but not even I will spoil it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/9 "2004-10-29T19:47:05Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I still want to keep \*Faith \*and the montage though. I feel like we have to take a firm stand against this kind of thing, lest we get a Timberlake-clone single for the long-rumored Starfleet Academy series. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2004, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/10 "2004-10-29T23:59:07Z")
Well, **plant** , the teaser shows those guys to be pretty damn strong. Remember, almost everyone in Trekkerverse seems to have superior strenght to hoomahns (with a few, notable exceptions), yet thse guys handled the Klinghoppers quite handily. Who was that first Klinghopper shown? Even with the make up, he looked very familiar. Changing the opening sequence now would be a shame. I’ve finally gotten used to it. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/11 "2004-10-30T00:12:45Z")
“They naming the prison after you?” 😃 I love Spiner in every non Data thing I’ve ever seen him do. Augments. Nice name. Jolene and Linda in casual clothes. Yum. Eugenics Wars mentioned by name. The head augment sounds like Mr. Anderson. Sometimes. “You don’t get your fair share of publicity.” 🙂 Whoa! Dr Phlox’s reputation rivals Soongs!? New Captain’s chair. With buttons! Background music in launch scene reminiscent of Goldsmith/Courage T’Pol still struggling with emotions. I need some clothes like Billingsly’s. I’m needing to hide my gutses. Those look like Romulan ships! Too soon for Klingon/Romulan Alliance, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/12 "2004-10-30T00:22:23Z")
WTF? Did something get cut from the broadcast? What happened to the attacking ships!? First thing I saw from commercial was Data talking to himself. Okay, this is really fucked up. They skipped all sorts of stuff! T’Pol in Orion slave market. WTF!? What happened!?!?! Now they are beamng into the Orion compound. Cool. I’m still pissed, tho. What did I miss? Nice bidding scene. I wonder if her titties or ribs got bruised in thee filming. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/13 "2004-10-30T00:31:33Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > WTF? Did something get cut from the broadcast? What happened to the attacking ships!? First thing I saw from commercial was Data talking to himself. You must have missed where T’Pol and a couple of engineers were beamed out. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/14 "2004-10-30T00:36:43Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Well, **plant** Who was that first Klinghopper shown? Even with the make up, he looked very familiar. JG Hertzler of General Martok fame commanded (note past tense) the bird of prey. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/15 "2004-10-30T00:37:34Z")
Was that Hoshi in a cage, too? Orion sexy babe slave! Yowsa. Good thing this is a multi parter. It’s as disjointed as our Finish This stories are at the start. Tritanium cobalt. Great… Another Southern boy dig. At least tripp handled it well. Mutiny on the HMS Bounty. Homage to TWOK/TSFS? Neo is dead. Jolly Green Giants are tough. I think I saw a Xindi humanoid in the compound! Soong is ruthless even with himself. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/16 "2004-10-30T00:41:49Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > You must have missed where T’Pol and a couple of engineers were beamed out. Yep. That 'splains things. Stupid local affiliate… :mad: **plant** , I meant the black guy klingon. I caught General Martok, but it took a while to place the face. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/17 "2004-10-30T00:44:13Z")
Hoshi in a cage? I don’t know whether I should be excited or outraged. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/18 "2004-10-30T00:48:17Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Was that Hoshi in a cage, too? I don’t think so. She was on the bridge while the others were in sick bay. I don’t know who the Black Klingon was. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/19 "2004-10-30T00:50:09Z")
Climb every mountain, but no honeymoons Thank god, the police. - Fletch What kind of accent/affectation is that the Auggie boy (Malek ? ) is using? Persis Kambata? Does anyone else get a Dune feeling from the Auggies? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/20 "2004-10-30T00:52:42Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Hoshi in a cage? I don’t know whether I should be excited or outraged. I defer to the plantster. It sure looked like her in that split second, tho. But no duality allowed. Wonder who she is… The next ep looks action packed. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791.md?page=2)