# Enterprise Borderland **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 29, 2004, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791 "2004-10-29T03:00:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/21 "2004-10-30T01:07:23Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Archer has a wonderfull line to the crew, but not even I will spoil it for you. What was it? Spoiler box if you must. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/22 "2004-10-30T01:13:18Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > What was it? Spoiler box if you must. As they unmoor from space dock to begin the mission, he looks about the bridge and says, “Here we are again. I wouldn’t have it any other way.” Kind of classy, I thought. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/23 "2004-10-30T03:28:28Z")
Hey, I’m just glad we finally got the Panda back. Big welcome back for Pander the Panda!!! BTW, I am now 2 years old on the SDMB. Worship me. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/24 "2004-10-30T05:03:20Z")
Worship? Heck, I’ll even place bids on you. I liked the civilian duds they were wearing early on. Too bad they all had to change back to the jumpsuits. Brent Spiner is still as watchable as ever. Yeah, I think “Persis” is a reference to the late Khambatta. But why does Rakeen’s name have to be so similar to Joachin’s (ST2)? Lots of good wholesome violence in this one. Example: T’Skinnybutt kicked Shrek in the balls! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/25 "2004-10-30T05:05:15Z")
And there’s an actor in the ep. named Big Show. Really. Great line from Phlox: “I can read.” ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/26 "2004-10-30T05:10:58Z")
His name’s Paul Wight, actually. Big Show’s his WWE stage name. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/27 "2004-10-30T05:20:17Z")
Ah, thanks for the info. They don’t mention that. Spiner/Soong has some wonderfully nasty little digs at various people in the show. He gets the lion’s share of good dialogue. BTW, I could have picked up T’Pol just as easily as Green Ogre did–with one knee. There’s a Turkish ENT site under construction. I just have to see what it looks like when it’s ready. ---
**Author:** ![the\_Lady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@the\_Lady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_Lady)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/28 "2004-10-30T16:25:28Z")
I’m thinking T’Pol is a little sensitive about last week’s adventure. She sounded just a little hysterical when she said “I’m not for sale” before being beamed out. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/29 "2004-10-30T16:43:30Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > Thank god…I was no fan of Faith of the Heart at first, but a) it’s grown on me, b) it’s PART of Enterprise, and c) The idea of having Archer do a TOS/TNG voiceover was stupid. Rumor has it that Archer’s voiceover is going to go like this: “The Enterprise project was our last, best hope for peace. It failed.” \ “But in the year of the Romulan War, it became something greater: Our last, best hope for victory. The year is 2157. The place: NX-01.” \ **Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/30 "2004-10-30T16:57:05Z") Okay, I saw the episode last night. Brent Spiner’s character was definitely a joy to watch. There were two things about the episode that kinda failed the Reality Check for me: 1. The Orion slave market. Yes, I know that in the _Trek_ universe, the words “Orion” and “slave” go together like “Hoshi” and “naked.” But. **Why** is there a market for slave labor at all? In order to **get** to the place where these slaves are being sold, you have to travel to, what was the name of that planet? Vicodin 3 or something? Anyway, you have to travel all the way to another **star system** to get slaves. If your species can build machines that can cross interstellar distances, your species can build machines that do manual labor much more cheaply than slaves do. 2. At the end, Brent Spiner tells his darling little genetically-enhanced children to let the Enterprise and her crew go, since their ship is damaged and they’re no longer an immediate threat to the kids’ Klingon Bird of Prey. Fair enough. But shouldn’t they have made **sure** that the Enterprise wasn’t going to dust itself off and come after them? Shouldn’t they have swung around behind the NX-01 before they left and blasted one (or both) of their warp nacelles into space debris? Reduce the crew to just sitting there and sending out a distress signal, and maybe get “picked up” by the Orions. That’s what **I’d** do if I had a genetically superior intellect. As it stands, now, you just **know** that Trip is going to get the warp engines back online, at their full Warp 5 capacity, in a matter of hours. 3. And speaking of a Klingon Bird of Prey … what’s a Klingon Bird of Prey doing in the 22nd century?! Had they been shown in earlier episodes of _Enterprise_? How did they retcon the fact that these ships, which were only first seen in ST3:TSfS and seemed like a _later_ design than the conventional Klingon D7 Battlecruiser, are suddenly around a hundred years before ST:TOS? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/31 "2004-10-30T17:00:11Z")
_Three_. There were _three_ things that failed the Reality Check for me. Our _three_ weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/32 "2004-10-30T18:28:48Z")
I enjoyed it once again overall. Mua’Dib’s asskicking sequence in the begining was a nice change from the regular Star Trek fighting style. Spiner was excellent and believable. Archer is coming along nicely as a captain. I think Malcom took the right course of action putting his gun down. He sized up the situation and realized Muadib was more than likely capable of taking Archer out just as he said he would. We also saw when the Augments came aboard Enterprise, they are able to take fire without much damage, so even if Malcom shot Paul, Archer would have one less voicebox to worry about. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/33 "2004-10-30T19:27:30Z")
[QUOTE=tracer] Okay, I saw the episode last night. Brent Spiner’s character was definitely a joy to watch. There were two things about the episode that kinda failed the Reality Check for me: 1. The Orion slave market. Yes, I know that in the _Trek_ universe, the words “Orion” and “slave” go together like “Hoshi” and “naked.” But. **Why** is there a market for slave labor at all? In order to **get** to the place where these slaves are being sold, you have to travel to, what was the name of that planet? Vicodin 3 or something? Anyway, you have to travel all the way to another **star system** to get slaves. If your species can build machines that can cross interstellar distances, your species can build machines that do manual labor much more cheaply than slaves do. snip [QUOTE] ## Not to put too fine a point on this, but…we can send crafts and people to the moon, crafts to Mars, research stem cells, and do all sorts of other things, yet there is still slave trafficking going on in many parts of the world, as well as stoning and other primitive actions and behaviors. Anybody notice Soong’s dig at Trip just before he beamed down with Archer? He says something about Trip’s “Vulcan friend,” as if he has knowledge of their relationship. Archer still has absolutely no clue (no surprise). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/34 "2004-10-30T19:30:13Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Anybody notice Soong’s dig at Trip just before he beamed down with Archer? He says something about Trip’s “Vulcan friend,” as if he has knowledge of their relationship. Reminds me of Hannibal Lecter. The restraints, the smart ass remarks, the callowness, the knowledge of intimate details. ---
**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/35 "2004-10-30T22:11:51Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > … > > If your species can build machines that can cross interstellar distances, your species can build machines that do manual labor much more cheaply than slaves do… If you notice how well the Orion girl and T’pal sold, being attractive women and all, compare that with the Stronger more physically capable slave worker Jeffrey Pierce the new Enterprise crewman, who had one bid. (His own captain.) what i’m getting at is that the main customers of the slave market were in it for sexual reasons, not manual labor. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/36 "2004-10-30T22:17:55Z")
While it’s obviously for sexual purposes, I don’t believe you can say the (presumably) human crewmembers were more physically capable as both Orions and Vulcans are both stronger. I admit that Orions are stronger in fanon (fan canon) and not necessarily canon though. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/37 "2004-10-30T22:27:02Z")
> [@Teelo](#): > > what i’m getting at is that the main customers of the slave market were in it for sexual reasons, not manual labor. As Pee Wee Herman could tell you, sexual reasons sometimes _include_ manual labor. (Okay, I’ll stop now.) ---
**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/38 "2004-10-30T22:29:09Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > As Pee Wee Herman could tell you, sexual reasons sometimes _include_ manual labor. > > (Okay, I’ll stop now.) Alright, back to Enterprise then. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/39 "2004-10-30T22:38:18Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > This is a nice adventure episode, Spiner does well. It’s nice to see JG Hertzler of General Martok fame. There is an Orion slave girl. > > There is a problem in the last five minutes. It really, really sucks. I offer this explanation: > > Malik gets the drop on Archer and tells Malcolm and the marine to lower their weapons. Now, this is Malcolm, who when the bad guy from the wild west episode held a gun to T’Pol, shrugged and stunned him in what I consider to be a classic Trek scene. But they lower their weapons and Malik drags Archer around like a doll. > I’ll attempt to believe that Malix could have broken Archer’s neck as he was being stunned-it’s a good adventure episode. Keep that excuse for getting Malcolm to lower his phase pistol in mind. You’ll need it. > > Dammit, this wouldn’t happen to Kirk. He beats Supermen senseless with pieces of his beloved Enterprise. The _real_ one. > ^:dubious:^ I think that what you’re attempting to believe is exactly what Malik would have done, just to show his strength if nothing else. Belief is a powerful thing. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2004, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791/40 "2004-10-30T22:59:51Z")
Am I the only one who flinched when Archer congratulated T’Pol on her commission? Or have we absolutely abandoned canon and nobody told me? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-borderland/271791.md?page=3)