# Enterprise Breaking the Ice Spoiler **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 7, 2001, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058 "2001-11-07T21:55:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/1 "2001-11-07T21:55:18Z")
Watch for the Vulcan Snoman. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/2 "2001-11-08T02:08:36Z")
And now we know how the kitchen works, and where poop goes. ---
**Author:** ![Sycorax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Sycorax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sycorax)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/3 "2001-11-08T02:45:18Z")
Said it before, I’ll say it again…I hate T’Pol. Hate her, hate her, hate her. She ruins the show for me. I was hoping her little dilemma with her betrothed would be a reason to get her off the ship, but no such luck. I liked the bit with Archer telling the school kids how things work – I’ve wondered what they do with the poop. And, as has been the case from the get-go, Trip upstaged everybody. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/4 "2001-11-08T02:55:42Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Sycorax \* > \*\* get her off the ship_\* It will never happen. Since Seven of Nine, there has to be an attractive woman for the 14 yeat old males. Rats. So, was the Snowman cool or not? Nice ears. ---
**Author:** ![Daniel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Daniel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daniel)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/5 "2001-11-08T02:56:26Z")
I really liked the bit with the 4th grade class. There are some 7th and 8th graders at a middle school in a neighboring city who are going to talk to the ISS astronauts just next week (they practiced with the radios last Thursday). It was the only time I’ve thought Star Trek has had some touch with reality. Pretty nifty. But the Archer-asking-Vulcans-for-help bit seemed like a really dumbed-down reminiscence of Picard asking Q to save him from the Borg. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/6 "2001-11-08T02:57:16Z")
yeat? year? teat? Now is that a Freudian slip, or what? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/7 "2001-11-08T03:04:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daniel \* > \*\* Archer-asking-Vulcans-for-help bit seemed like a really dumbed-down reminiscence of Picard asking Q to save him from the Borg. \*\* I was a tad hacked that she had to talk him into asking. Their lives were at stake, as well as a damn good shutt;e pod. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/8 "2001-11-08T03:12:59Z")
OK, because it’s like this sickness that gets into my system that I must purge…my nitpicks: 1. Comets don’t naturally have a tail. They only do when there’s a sun nearby and the heat melts off ice on the surface. Perhaps there was a sun nearby but it was, to my knowledge, never seen. Which is surprising because part of the plot revolved around the fact that the comet shifted its axis and was rotating towards…what? 2. If the comet was “shedding” wouldn’t it be like a blizzard on the surface? 3. As the comet was supposedly shifting, the shadows never moved while they were near the hovercraft. Other than that, I really liked this episode. At first, the whole segment of Archer talking to the students seemed both stupid and pandering. This isn’t what the 4th graders are asking…it’s what WE are asking. But, then I realized that the reason we’re asking these things is because we’re geeks and wanna know everything we can about this universe. Then I relaxed, content in my geekiness, and enjoyed the rest of the episode. An episode that never really did anything, but good drama doesn’t mean the ship has to be in danger every episode. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/9 "2001-11-08T03:20:39Z")
Why was there GRAVITY on the comet, hunh? Why was the core sample a meter long? Real core sample fill the pack of a pick up. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/10 "2001-11-08T03:21:51Z")
My main beef with this episode is, how does an 82 mile ball of ice have so much gravity? They should have been lucky to stick to the thing, not be falling down holes. And Ender, there was a sun. Remember when it came rising over the horizon just before the ice cracked. Didn’t look that far away either (astronomically speaking) ---
**Author:** ![Sycorax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Sycorax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sycorax)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/11 "2001-11-08T03:24:52Z")
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have an attractive female on the ship for the any-year-old males. I liked seven of nine, but then she didn’t act like a souless zombie, walking around stiffly, speaking in a monotone with half-closed eyes which I guess are supposed to be sexy but to me looks like she’s bored. Trip and the doc…the only likable characters in the show so far, IMHO. (Archer’s okay…but he needs to break out of his shell too.) ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/12 "2001-11-08T03:25:23Z")
Woo Hoo!! My first simulpost (sp?) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/13 "2001-11-08T03:56:06Z")
> [@](#): > > yeat? year? teat? Now is that a Freudian slip, or what? Sometimes a yeat is just a yeat. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/14 "2001-11-08T06:12:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*Why was there GRAVITY on the comet, hunh? > Why was the core sample a meter long? Real core sample fill the pack of a pick up. > > ^:)^ \*\* Well its far fetched I know but if placed on the rigtht spot of the comet they could have had inertial gravity. ---
**Author:** ![Badtz\_Maru](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e36b37/32.png) [@Badtz\_Maru](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badtz_Maru)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/15 "2001-11-08T06:17:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SHAKES \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > > \*\*Why was there GRAVITY on the comet, hunh? > > Why was the core sample a meter long? Real core sample fill the pack of a pick up. > > > > ^:)^ \*\* > > Well its far fetched I know but if placed on the rigtht spot of the comet they could have had inertial gravity. \*\* I don’t think so, about the only way you’d have inertial gravity was if the comet was accelerating or decellerating because of some force other than the gravitational pull of another object. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/16 "2001-11-08T06:54:23Z")
I was doing ok, letting them get away with walking normally on the comet (which should have very little gravity), but I actually yelled when Travis hurt himself. Just really bugged me. I also disliked Malcolm’s mention of how ice layers are older the deeper you go. That would be true on a planet, with weather, but not on a comet. The whole thing should be essentially the same age, since there’s no way for more ice to gather after the formation of the head. Why have we already had two almost identical scenes of pods falling into holes? One place was brown, the other white, but they looked a lot alike. On the postitive side, I thought T’Pol was better in this one. She’s still not there, but Jolene seems to be improving. I’m not too happy with all the sinister subplots revolving around the Vulcans, though. The writers seem to be building up to something there, but for now they’re just annoying me with this stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Katisha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bcef8e/32.png) [@Katisha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katisha)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/17 "2001-11-08T07:09:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sofa King \* > \*\*And now we know how the kitchen works, and where poop goes. \*\* Poop holds the ship wher it is. [sub]I miss the DFC…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/18 "2001-11-08T09:16:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Saltire \* > > * * * > > I also disliked Malcolm’s mention of how ice layers are older the deeper you go. That would be true on a planet, with weather, but not on a comet. The whole thing should be essentially the same age, since there’s no way for more ice to gather after the formation of the head. > > * * * That really bugged me too. Simple simple planetary science. And it was a throw away line too. Poor Trip. They’ll probably beam his “Poop question” all over the Earth, in dozens of languages. csg ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/19 "2001-11-08T13:43:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by Sycorax \* > > \*\* get her off the ship_\* > > It will never happen. Since Seven of Nine, there has to be an attractive woman for the 14 yeat old males. Rats. > So, was the Snowman cool or not? Nice ears. \*\* Umm, hi. Before Voyager, there was this show called DS9, and a character named Kira Nereise. But before that there was STNG, and somebody named Counselor Troi. You might want to watch some reruns. [sub]Now, now, Katisha, you _know_ “poop wher it is” captions are red-zoned. Heck with the DFC–I miss IADL.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2001, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058/20 "2001-11-08T14:02:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Badtz Maru \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by SHAKES \* > > \*\* > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > > > \*\*Why was there GRAVITY on the comet, hunh? > > > Why was the core sample a meter long? Real core sample fill the pack of a pick up. > > > > > > ^:)^ \*\* > > > > Well its far fetched I know but if placed on the rigtht spot of the comet they could have had inertial gravity. \*\* > > I don’t think so, about the only way you’d have inertial gravity was if the comet was accelerating or decellerating because of some force other than the gravitational pull of another object. \*\* Indeed. Not only that, but you’re telling me that that crappy little blast they performed (after which I immediately said to **Peta Tzunami** , “Why are the pieces falling so fast? Am I supposed to believe it’s 1g on the surface of that thing?”) provided sufficient energy to change the axis of rotation of an 82km-wide comet? I don’t think so. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-breaking-the-ice-spoiler/92058.md?page=2)