# Enterprise-Carpenter Street spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 26, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315 "2003-11-26T03:26:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2003, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/41 "2003-11-29T21:02:10Z")
A singularly uninspiring episode, given that it’s three days later and we still haven’t gotten the thread onto the second page. 😛 The sudden-time-travel thing (walk through the door, and poof) was kinda cool, but for some reason it made me suspicious. So over the next few minutes, I watched to see if I was right, and I think I am. And it ruined the show for me. The storyline is a throwaway. Nothing really accomplished; we go back to the previous stalemate. No forward movement. Blah blah blah. So what really was the point of this episode? _Saving money._ It obviously wasn’t Detroit; it was just an industrial suburb of Los Angeles. Shot at night, no less, to hide the distant palm trees. No money on building complicated sets; just dress a warehouse a little bit. No fancy special effect for the time-travel leap. A couple of Xindi costumes. A couple of phaser shots. Two guest actors, a couple of stunt guys, and a handful of extras. Translation: Cheap. Seriously. Look at it. The street scenes were obviously shot guerrilla style: camera in the back seat, actors in the front, and they drive around in regular traffic. No tow rig, no special lighting, nothing like that. They had generic prop-closet beer in the guy’s fridge. They made up a clunky and obviously fake menu at the fast-food board. The most expensive prop in the show was the big “bio-reactor” device, and that was just a big silver box on a cement-mixer stand with a large parabolic reflector from an oversized heater in the middle. Then the actual plot, such as it is, winds up with a rooftop chase, jumping over an alleyway, and a quick fistfight by a fan. What is this, _Kolchak: The Night Stalker_? The moments of cute comedy, with T’Pol considering fast food or Archer jumping away from a dog in a car, are totally negated by a calorie-free plot and sloppy, sloppy writing. Example: They get in a shootout on the roof. Do they stop to think for a moment what might happen if one of their phaser rays misses both the Xindi and that little brick shack he’s hiding behind? Wouldn’t it go zipping off into the Los Angeles — er, I mean, Detroit — sky? And maybe hit something or somebody else? Aren’t they concerned about that at all? They _should_ be, considering what a big deal they made out of setting their phasers to “kill” because “stun” has no effect on a Xindi warrior. Or another example: They steal a car with basically no effort, checking only for alarms and animals. That car starts to run out of gas. They then worry about obtaining fuel, which means obtaining currency, which means stealing from a bank (and how does Archer know what an ATM is, anyway?) and introducing possible timeline complications. Seems a whole lot simpler just to use the fancy computer gizmo to slip a digital mickey to a fuel pump, or, even better, _pull over and steal another car._ If you have to buy your fuel with cash, you have to interact with a local, which seems like it should be kept to a minimum. But the writers just aren’t _thinking_ about what they’re doing, and as a result the characters behave like morons. Sorry. Stupid plot and an overall vibe that _screams_ “budget conscious.” Total waste of an hour. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2003, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/42 "2003-11-29T21:55:38Z")
I just figured it was becuase nobody’s at home this weekend. Well, I’m about to go to the mall. Wish me luck. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2003, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/43 "2003-11-29T23:10:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\* > Remember, it was shadowy future guy who told Quantum of Xindi shit, NOT Daniels. So, SFG doesn’t want Xindi to win either. Or does he? A ruse? Maybe. But, to me, it looks like 3 factions of time people. \*\* I think SFG is playing them both. The whole Xindi destroying humanity thing is SFG’s way of keeping Enterprise out of his buisness. I’m also guessing the Delphic expanse didn’t exist in TNG, TOS, DS9, and VOY timelines. SFG constructed the spheres in the future, and sent them back in time and let the expanse form as a result of the werid gravty they give off. Its all an obstacle course to keep Enterprise out of the way for as long as is possible. Who is SFG anyway? Lor? Evil Picard? Bearded Spock? Intelligent Cloud of Methane? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2003, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/44 "2003-11-29T23:19:54Z")
Bearded Spock is dead, unless the Intendent (mirror Kira) lied. Lor was disassembled, was he not? I think it’s Westley, maybe with testosterone injections. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/45 "2003-11-30T01:49:23Z")
I hope it doesn’t turn out that there’s some gigantic reset button by the end of Season 3. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/46 "2003-11-30T03:51:57Z")
You mean, Patrick Duffy might step out of Archer’s zero-G shower? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/47 "2003-11-30T04:03:49Z")
I think Future Guy will end up being Archer. And then Archer will look at Archer and say “Hey, that damn Archer!” Either that, or Future Guy is the Statue of Liberty. “You Manicacs! You blew it all up! Damn You! Damn you all to Hell!” ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/48 "2003-11-30T05:09:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*The best part was when Quantum ordered a hamburger with just ketchup, cuz that’s how i and all right thinking people order their hamburgers! \*\* What? No Chow-chow? That tray o’ fries looked like it must have come from In N’ Out. Did Archer wolf his down while we weren’t looking? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/49 "2003-11-30T05:44:12Z")
it was Detroit, no In N’ Out there (west coarst chain) (But it may have actually been In N’ Out since they filmed it in LA) (this leads to a temporal causality loop) (i like putting sentences in parentheses, it’s like they are all in neat little packages!) (there is no sentence in these parentheses, honest.) ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/50 "2003-11-30T05:46:55Z")
WTF is a “west coarst”? ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/51 "2003-11-30T08:45:32Z")
Haven’t had a chance to see the entire episode yet! I was at my Dad’s for Thanksgiving, and there (Philadelphia) the local UPN station showed a 76ers game, with ST:E coming on when the game ended (bah, it came on about 9:45 pm). I did get to watch the last half of the show, and hoped to catch the entire show on my return home (DC area), only to find that UPN 20 here was airing the Maryland-Hofstra game Sat. at 8 when they normally re-run Enterprise. GRR! I did like what I saw of the show, though. Especially thought that the ending was good; they’re definitely giving them more to do this season. Wonder what they’re going to do with it! more later … when hopefully I will have found a re-airing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/52 "2003-11-30T17:10:44Z")
That’s a pretty damned sleazy blood bank, given that one of their donors is a street hooker. Hell, the local Red Cross won’t even let _me_ take a trip to Toronto. (I’m one of the two blood types they didn’t get! So, after the Xindi bio-holocaust, I will survive, to rule over the post-apocalyptic wasteland with a harem of AB+ and B- concubines!) ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/53 "2003-11-30T20:07:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*it was Detroit, no In N’ Out there (west coarst chain) (But it may have actually been In N’ Out since they filmed it in LA) (this leads to a temporal causality loop) (i like putting sentences in parentheses, it’s like they are all in neat little packages!) (there is no sentence in these parentheses, honest.) \*\* That’s what I mean. It’s probably an homage to In N’ Out. Those fries were well done, which come from the Secret Menu. [How do you feel about brackets?] ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/54 "2003-11-30T20:09:04Z")
:eek: Faulty pronoun reference in above post! [Nomad]Faulty! Faul-teeee![/Nomad] _sigh_ P.S. I miss **Kn\*ckers**. **Tars’** post is starting to look like an algebraic equation. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/55 "2003-11-30T23:02:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*WTF is a “west coarst”? \*\* The one to the left of the East coarst. Jeeez. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/56 "2003-11-30T23:07:41Z")
Don’t get upset, Nomad. We will make the first Star Trek motion picture about you and call it, “Where Nomad Has Gone Before”. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/57 "2003-11-30T23:59:46Z")
(x[sup]2[/sup]+23xy+4y[sup]2[/sup])(x[sup]2[/sup]-34y) (MuHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/58 "2003-12-01T00:01:58Z")
equals what? Gotta have another one, too. Unless it’s Xindi Math 1300. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/59 "2003-12-01T00:02:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*(x[sup]2[/sup]+23xy+4y[sup]2[/sup])(x[sup]2[/sup]-34y) > > \*\* HUT! HUT! [Rice University football team] ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2003, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315/60 "2003-12-01T00:11:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*equals what? > \*\* It’s a secret. only during the full moon will the answer be given. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-carpenter-street-spoilers/215315.md?page=4)