# Enterprise-Cold Station 12 spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 6, 2004, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292 "2004-11-06T00:32:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2004, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/41 "2004-11-08T21:52:19Z")
> [@NE Texan](#): > > back-to-taking-over-the-universe clothes I love it. šŸ™‚ Why didnā€™t they take Klingon stuff? Surely this bunch find like the leather and studs cool, not to mention the cutlery. ---
**Author:** ![Squire\_Trelane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@Squire\_Trelane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squire_Trelane)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/42 "2004-11-09T00:25:35Z")
I started laughing when the Augment told Archer ā€œYouā€™re a competent fighterā€. Kicking a guy in the face, then standing there waiting to see if he falls down is NOT a mark of competence! Nor is slowly turning around (without looking) while holding your gun out to one side. Sloppy fight choreography there, as it was obvious that Bakula was waiting for the other actor to do the disarm. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/43 "2004-11-09T00:28:08Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Donā€™t the folks on ENT have a good tricorder or sensor scan? Time for an upgrade? They should have been able to detect Smike. Now now, itā€™s only the 22nd century. The magical ā€œlifeform detectorā€ technology we see in TOS and TNG is still in its infancy. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/44 "2004-11-09T02:48:25Z")
Yeah, in the NAZI lizard arc, we saw them use it, but it could barely diffirentiate lifeforms and could not give a clear reading of who or what it was, much less lock for transport. I think Spiner actually had some pretty good facial acting in this ep. Though the script wasnā€™t all that, he pumped it up a bit. With a little smirk here, a slight wariness there, even some furtiveness with the eyeballs, man! I like the idea of mini-arcs. Who started that trend? B5? Stargate? (DS9 had a maxi-arc, so donā€™t go there.) ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/45 "2004-11-09T07:00:39Z")
Well, kids, I am going on shore leave this Thursday, not to return till Sunday. I hate being late to the ENT threads, but it canā€™t be helped. Have fun. When come back, bring genetically engineered pie. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/46 "2004-11-09T07:06:12Z")
Here, have some Og: [http://www.floccinaucinihilipilificator.net/files/022003/25.php](http://www.floccinaucinihilipilificator.net/files/022003/25.php) ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/47 "2004-11-09T08:00:17Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Since it has been moved out of competition with Smallville and now Lost, the ratings are rising in its time slot, believe it or not. Yeah, theyā€™re not high numbers but they are coming up higher than they were a year or so ago on their original night. Or it could just be that itā€™s pretty good so far this year. One bit I liked - when Malik put his gun away in order to kill Archer with his bare hands. Yes, I know that they _had_ to - if he shoots him, it sort of screws up the rest of the series. But it actually makes sense in the context of the story as he seems to feel the need to prove his superiority (although Iā€™m not sure if he needs to prove it to the ordinary humans or to himself). Of course, I rolled my eyes a bit at the ā€œletā€™s put the hero in an ā€˜inescapableā€™ trap and leaveā€ bit. And donā€™t tell me that he didnā€™t have time to kill him. How long would it have taken to snap his neck? But it was only a minor eye-roll as it follows a long established tradition in action and related genres. Have fun on your long weekend, **Viva**! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/48 "2004-11-09T13:08:42Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > if he shoots him, it sort of screws up the rest of the series. Hah! Speak for yourself. Kill Archer. Promote Tripp > [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > he seems to feel the need to prove his superiority Maybe itā€™s more fun? šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/49 "2004-11-09T16:22:19Z")
Hehā€¦floccipaucinihilipilification (partially included in Og link) is one of my favorite words. Means ā€œconsidering something to be worthlessā€. Nice word. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/50 "2004-11-09T17:26:53Z")
Thanks, **Linus**! As you can see, I ainā€™t gone yet. šŸ˜‰ The rest of the eps coming up look good: The Vulcan arc, the Babel stuff, Shran returns, and viral contamination! ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/51 "2004-11-09T17:42:09Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > I like the idea of mini-arcs. Who started that trend? B5? Stargate? (DS9 had a maxi-arc, so donā€™t go there.) If you put a bunch of mini-arcs together to make a maxi-arc, are you arc-welding? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/52 "2004-11-09T18:11:12Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > Of course, I rolled my eyes a bit at the ā€œletā€™s put the hero in an ā€˜inescapableā€™ trap and leaveā€ bit. Next week on _Enterprise_: The crew faces a nefarious _trap_ laid by the _Penguin!_ Can it _be?_ Ensign Mayweather has a _LINE?_ Tune in next week! ZAP! POW! ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/53 "2004-11-09T19:09:08Z")
\*Will our heroes escape from the virulent pathogens? . . . . Will Archer ever get laid and drop that pissed-off expression? Will Trip ever get Tā€™laid ā€¦ again? . . . . Will Archer ever let Hoshi wear her hair down? Will Archer cut the cheese ā€¦ from Porthosā€™ diet? . . . . Will Porthos turn out to be Danielā€™s supervisor or Shadowy Future Guy? Tune in weakly, uh, weekly, if you dare . . . . Same bEnt time; Same bEnt Channel\* ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/54 "2004-11-09T21:35:17Z")
I never saw Soong as being evil. Heā€™s an idealist that beleives in the sanctaty of life. He thought it was wrong that these lives were being held in suspension and never allowed to live. He didnā€™t free them to harm others, but to help them. What we saw in the station was a man whoā€™s ideals were coming at odds. The sanctity of the augments lives was conflicting with the sanctity of the human lives. This is the pain you see on his face. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/55 "2004-11-09T21:48:39Z")
> [@Odinoneeye](#): > > I never saw Soong as being evil. Heā€™s an idealist that beleives in the sanctaty of life. He thought it was wrong that these lives were being held in suspension and never allowed to live. He didnā€™t free them to harm others, but to help them. > > What we saw in the station was a man whoā€™s ideals were coming at odds. The sanctity of the augments lives was conflicting with the sanctity of the human lives. This is the pain you see on his face. Lousy no good morality! Always getting in the way of the evil genius! Seriously, has there ever been a completely evil, mean-spirited psychopathic human character in any of ST series, ala Hannibal Lecter? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2004, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/56 "2004-11-09T22:23:00Z")
> [@JustPlainBryan](#): > > a completely evil, mean-spirited psychopathic human character ā€¦ ala Hannibal Lecter? You, sir have not read _Hannibal_. šŸ™‚ Kahn was one mean son of a bitch. Ricardo Montalbon said the best villians were those who thought they were in the right. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/57 "2004-11-10T01:23:16Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > You, sir have not read _Hannibal_. > šŸ™‚ This is true! > [@](#): > > Kahn was one mean son of a bitch. > Ricardo Montalbon said the best villians were those who thought they were in the right. Kahn seems to be the closest one to hardcore evil in the ST Universe (as far as humans go). But, technically speaking, he was a product of the 90s. Where are the psychopathic human monsters of the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/58 "2004-11-10T03:04:38Z")
> [@JustPlainBryan](#): > > Where are the psychopathic human monsters of the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries? [Tantalus](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68682.html) and [Elba II](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68802.html) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/59 "2004-11-10T03:30:52Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > [Tantalus](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68682.html) and [Elba II](http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68802.html) Garth was insane, not Evil. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2004, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-cold-station-12-spoilers/273292/60 "2004-11-10T03:33:20Z")
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