# Enterprise "Doctor's Orders" (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 18, 2004, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756 "2004-02-18T06:47:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/141 "2004-02-22T22:15:41Z")
Tha wight arowned the noasez ar definitley different, and tha chest pattern iz slitely different. Eye luv speling. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/142 "2004-02-22T23:21:40Z")
> [@tarragon918](#): > > Both pups are exceedingly cute The terms are mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2004, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/143 "2004-02-22T23:34:38Z")
They do look quite a bit alike–did you notice that there’s a -third- beagle in the bunch, named Zowie?! Wonder if they were litter mates? I confess, I looked at the other dogs too–that Duchess, who played Spike on Sunset Beach, had a picture up where she had a right mean snarl! Porthos is a good doggie, but I gotta wonder if he’s been fixed, cause I’ve never heard him do a typical beagle howl! Thanks for the link, **Viva** , that was an interesting page, and sorry I forgot it was you, **NoClueBoy**! I mean, how could I -ever- forget you? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/144 "2004-02-25T18:41:18Z")
Remember when Phlox saw the scans, and realized they were nowhere near being out of the nebula on schedule? He said they were still a **half a light-year** from the far edge, and that at their current rate of speed (on impulse drive only), they wouldn’t be out of it for another ten weeks. Well, bullpuckey. If they were travelling under impulse power only – which, by definition, means they were moving at sub-light speed – then it should take them **at least half a year** to cover half a light-year. That’s why it’s called a “light-year”! Sheesh! In fact, even after Phlox fired up the warp engines and got the ship moving at Warp 2, it **still** should’ve taken at least 3 weeks to travel that half-lightyear. Warp 2 is only 8 times the speed of light in the TOS warp speed scale. Heck, even if they were breaking continuity and using the TNG warp speed scale, Warp 2 would still only be 10 times the speed of light! I call interstellar-distance foul! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/145 "2004-02-25T19:02:30Z")
It was the lizards. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/146 "2004-02-25T20:01:29Z")
Impossible! The “lizards,” as you so quaintly call the mind-controlling cockroaches from hell, were clearly not involved with Star Fleet until **after** the time of Kirk and Spock. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/147 "2004-02-25T20:04:28Z")
Well, you notice how Kirk kept getting larger and larger as the years and the movies went on? Makes you wonder … ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/148 "2004-02-25T21:26:39Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Ironically, it wouldn’t have worked as well if they were consistently this good. The surprise ending worked (for me at least) because even though I spotted some earlier weaknesses in the story that should have tipped me off I dismissed them as bad writing rather than clues. Same here. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/149 "2004-02-25T21:47:10Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > …Heck, even if they were breaking continuity and using the TNG warp speed scale, Warp 2 would still only be 10 times the speed of light! > > I call interstellar-distance foul! You’re assuming Enterprise and TOS have the same warp scales whenthere is as much time difference between then as there is between TOS and TNG. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/150 "2004-02-25T21:47:33Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > …Heck, even if they were breaking continuity and using the TNG warp speed scale, Warp 2 would still only be 10 times the speed of light! > > I call interstellar-distance foul! You’re assuming Enterprise and TOS have the same warp scales when there is as much time difference between then as there is between TOS and TNG. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/151 "2004-02-25T22:45:32Z")
Besides, he was using Denobulan light years, which are actually 7.879% the size of ours. Denobula is a bigger planet and its orbital plane is filld with ether, thus slowing down C to something more like L3. Plus, he was just a liitle bit confused. Not only was his own perception affected so that he was misreading (possibly) the sensor readouts, the sensors themselves could’ve been afffected by the thingy that all the hoomahns were asleepy for. (Take THAT, Viva!) The 2nd paragraph is my serious answer. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/152 "2004-02-25T23:02:35Z")
Lies, the fourth paragraph is clearly the only one serious. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/153 "2004-02-26T01:36:17Z")
Okay, the tape for this one got here today and I’ve watched it as well. It being a more character driven show and showcasing the second-best character (Hoshi\* being the first) in the series, I found it a pretty good production, although after being thoroughly spoiled by the time I saw it, I didn’t like it as much as I could have. I think I might be a bit easier to please than the rest of you, especially **Cervaise**. This episode didn’t really have many moments that jumped out as being wrong other than the things I already knew to look out for, including the line tracer mentioned only a few posts up and T’Pol’s ditzy attitude. I don’t know if I would have caught on as quickly if I didn’t know she was a wraith but by the end of the show, it was being telegraphed so transparently that anyone, even Linus, should have been able to realize that she was nothing more than a hallucination. The one surprising thing that really stuck out in my mind about this show is that Trip is actually a pretty interesting character and that Trineer is a surprisingly good actor. He didn’t do much at all in this episode but his lines were delivered with such conviction that he seemed more like Charles Tucker than he did his real life self. I’m really liking him… he’s probably my third favorite character behind Hoshi\*\* and the good doctor. Actially, I like pretty much everyone except T’Pol. \*I’ve noticed recently that while we complain about Travis never getting any screen time, Hoshi suffers just as much, if not more. Everyone else gets their fair share of screen time discounting maybe Reed but Hoshi is just as neglected. My having the **tiniest** little crush on her may have a little bit to do with my noticing that. \*\*That zombie scene scared me. Poor Hoshi. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/154 "2004-02-26T01:36:53Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > You’re assuming Enterprise and TOS have the same warp scales whenthere is as much time difference between then as there is between TOS and TNG. I’m not just **assuming** it, there’s evidence for it in the show itself. In the _Enterprise_ pilot episode “Broken Bow”, the ship is travelling at warp 4.5, and Archer says they are moving at “thirty million kilometers a second”. 30 million km/s is almost exactly 100_c_, which, if it corresponds to a warp speed of 4.5, is pretty darned consistent with with the TOS warp speed scale (in which warp x = x^3 \*c[/c]). ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/155 "2004-02-26T01:41:18Z")
I don’t even want to know how you know that piece of dialogue from an episode that’s three years old. Not even I am that big of a geek. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/156 "2004-02-26T03:44:22Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Not even I am that big of a geek. 😛 Hey, you jump threads. 🙂 Maybe he has a VCR or a DVD player or something. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/157 "2004-02-26T04:01:52Z")
Yeah, but there is no way he remembered that throwaway line so he had to have watched the episode again to prove me wrong. Remember, this is the same guy who ran out and bought “Devil in the Dark” to see if phaser-cutting-phasers were used. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/158 "2004-02-26T04:32:05Z")
He _is_ the original Trek Doper, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/159 "2004-02-26T04:44:44Z")
Nope. \*\*Cervaise \*\* beat him by two months. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/160 "2004-02-26T04:49:20Z")
In registration date, sure, but I searched once for the original Star Trek Thread on the Dope. And guess what I found? Well, I’ll tell you… I can’t remember, it was way too long ago. Be fun to do it again, though. See how many first threads we come up with, based on our different search parameter possibilities. Or not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756.md?page=9)