# Enterprise "Doctor's Orders" (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 18, 2004, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756 "2004-02-18T06:47:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/161 "2004-02-26T05:04:41Z")
On the second to last page of GQ, there is a thread entitled [Star Trek, Goofy or What?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=854) which was started by \*\*Hoe \*\* on June 1, 1999. That would make him or her the original Trek Doper. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/162 "2004-02-26T05:12:10Z")
And the even earlier thread refenced in the 2nd post doesn’t exist anymore. Must have been the AOL to SDMB change. What I remember, besides all the guest posts, was all the Dopers that don’t post anymore, whether at all or just in Trek threads. Things change. Besides me, who will still be Trek Doping from this group in 2009? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/163 "2004-02-26T05:28:48Z")
Well, by then, the Dope will have made a few subfora with CS: Trek being one of them with you and I being the dual (and deuling) moderaters because in 2007, Bermaga will have been overthrown in a bloody coup by Ira Steven Behr and Ronald D Moore, the creative geniuses behind \*Star Trek: Deep Space Nine \* and _Star Trek: Renaissance_ – the series that will revitalize the franchise – and _Star Trek_ will once again be hailed as the premier science fiction television show with Voyager and the worst of Enterprise being forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/164 "2004-02-26T05:36:40Z")
Sounds good to me. Shall we excommunicator each other? Or will we put all our differences behind us with the creation of _Star Trek: Lots of Good Looking Nude People_ ? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/165 "2004-02-26T05:44:05Z")
I think we’ll get along fine, so long as you allow me to promote Hoshi from Ensign to Fleet Admiral. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/166 "2004-02-26T05:47:26Z")
Find me that full bodied red haired momma from _First Flight_ and you can CLONE Hoshi! Be careful of replication failure. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/167 "2004-02-26T06:30:41Z")
Wow, all this _Enterprise_ discussion going on, and up until now I was just oblivious! Lately I’ve been catching up with my science fiction television: (first _Firefly_ and now this). Someone gave me all of Season One of Enterprise and parts of Season Two and Three and I’m trying to fill in the blanks as I go (I’m in the middle of watching Season One right now). Anyway, this was a very nice episode. I am not familiar with the characters as much as the rest of you, but Phlox is probably my favorite (tied with Tucker, anyway) and so it was a real treat to see an episode that centered around him. Like others here, I wondered why it seemed like Phlox was the only one to be left awake and yet T’Pal was there in the middle. But, like others, I swept it aside. It was a nice episode. Loved the touch with the Danny Kaye film. And I had to laugh at the bravery of the actor (Billingsly?) to traipse around naked. He has my admiration for that. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/168 "2004-02-26T06:37:45Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Yeah, but there is no way he remembered that throwaway line so he had to have watched the episode again to prove me wrong. Throwaway line? **Throwaway line?!?** That “throwaway line” was the **only** time in the entire history of _Trek_ where **any** faster-than-light speed was quoted in units other than “Warp factor.” That was an **historic** moment, burned onto my memory forever! And besides, I just happened to [read it on a webpage](http://www.stdimension.de/int/Cartography/EnterpriseNX.htm) last week when I was looking for _ST:Enterprise_ technology contradictions. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/169 "2004-02-26T08:26:35Z")
Welcome to the fold, **Yosemite**. We can always use new Trek Dopers, especially those of the female persuasion. Just be warned that if you become one of us, there really isn’t much Trek discussed. 🙂 > [@tracer](#): > > That “throwaway line” was the only time in the entire history of Trek where any faster-than-light speed was quoted in units other than “Warp factor.” That was an historic moment, burned onto my memory forever! Nuh uh. In “And the Children Shall Lead”, Spock said something about traveling at so many miles per hour but I can’t remember the specifics right now. I’m sure if you tracked down the episode on tape, you could find the scene in question. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/170 "2004-02-26T11:48:52Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Welcome to the fold, **Yosemite**. We can always use new Trek Dopers, especially those of the female persuasion. Just be warned that if you become one of us, there really isn’t much Trek discussed. 🙂 Thanks! 🙂 Well, I’ve been a Star Trek fan from way back, (even attended a few conventions) but for reasons too convoluted to explain, I just haven’t been following the latest incarnations the way that I should. I know the first series (Spock and Kirk) really well, I know bits of TNG well (and of course all the movies). I did follow Voyager semi-well for a while, and a little of DS9, but not much. I decided I’d try to get in with _Enterprise_ from the start, but that didn’t work out (usually television access problems). Now that I’ve worked that out, I’m “cramming” on _Enterprise_! And yeah, you guys are a marvel. Major geekiness going on here. It’s fun to read! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/171 "2004-02-26T18:07:13Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I’m sure if you tracked down the episode on tape, you could find the scene in question. Yeah, that’s it. Go track down the episode. Look for the scene where Spock refers to velocity in units of nano-tribble. That’s the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/172 "2004-02-26T23:56:40Z")
Speaking of [Tribbles…](http://www.spinsilly.com/mall-cds-artists-T-n-t-Tribble.asp) ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/173 "2004-02-27T00:02:25Z")
Do they explode or something? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/174 "2004-02-27T00:16:24Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Nuh uh. In “And the Children Shall Lead”, Spock said something about traveling at so many miles per hour but I can’t remember the specifics right now. I’m sure if you tracked down the episode on tape, you could find the scene in question. On that, i was watching “Tomorrow is Yesterday” (the one with the energy beings that take over Kirk, Spock, and Dr. Pulaski–i think i have the title right) and they use miles. Just adding my too bits. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/175 "2004-02-27T00:41:20Z")
ghunnoe = funny ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/176 "2004-02-27T04:53:58Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I don’t know if I would have caught on as quickly if I didn’t know she was a wraith but by the end of the show, it was being telegraphed so transparently that anyone, even Linus, should have been able to realize that she was nothing more than a hallucination. Aw. It’s nice to be loved. For the record, as soon as she appeared, I turned to my wife and said something along the lines of, “I bet she’s not really there. Either that or those last scenes where they told Phlox that he was going to be running things were really dumb.” If fact, I think that was a weakness in the script. If they hadn’t made it so clear early on that the ship was being turned over to Phlox, the “surprise” at the end would have been much more, well, surprising. Regarding the “10 weeks” issue, have they ever given any indication just how fast the various ships can travel at impulse? I always thought that they could get pretty close to light speed before having to go to warp (yes, I know that whole time dilation thing would start to get messy, but the writers aren’t going to let petty details like that stop them). If they can get pretty close to C, then 10 weeks (for about a quarter light year, not a half) is actually not too bad. > [@Cervaise](#): > > Yeah, that’s it. Go track down the episode. Look for the scene where Spock refers to velocity in units of nano-tribble. That’s the ticket. **Cervaise** , is that the episode where they refered to the newly developed warp-cutting warp engines? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/177 "2004-02-27T04:58:00Z")
The encyclopedia says that full impulse is 1/4c so a quarter of a light year would take them a year to traverse. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/178 "2004-02-27T04:59:17Z")
Star Trek encyclopedia, not the World Book or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/179 "2004-02-27T07:20:46Z")
**Aes** , do you happen to know if that’s canon? It’s hard to tell from the episodes as they, amazingly enough, have never really been consistant. If it is (canon), then they screwed up the use of the shuttles even worse than I thought. Or could ships’ shuttles do warp? I can’t remember them specifying any shuttlecraft before Voyager that were warp capable (and if I remember correctly, that one was specially modified). ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756/180 "2004-02-27T07:44:26Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > Nuh uh. In “And the Children Shall Lead”, Spock said something about traveling at so many miles per hour but I can’t remember the specifics right now. I’m sure if you tracked down the episode on tape, you could find the scene in question. All right, wiseacre, I dusted off my VHS cassete containing “And the Children Shall Lead” (taped off the air in December 1991 from KCOP channel 13 in Los Angeles), and watched the _whole damn episode_ from beginning to end. Including the commercials from 1991. And not **once** was any speed of **any kind** mentioned, by Spock or anyone else! Of course, it’s possible that KCOP channel 13 might’ve cut a minute or two out of the show here and there, and that this mention of “travelling at so many miles per hour” might’ve been in one of those cut scenes – but I suspect that this mention is just as much of a bugaboo as that Canadian version of “Devil in the Dark” that y’all keep talking about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-doctors-orders-spoilers/229756.md?page=10)