# Enterprise Extinction Spoilers! -- fellate with too much alacrity here! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594 "2003-09-24T17:51:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/121 "2003-09-30T00:06:13Z")
Frequently, the tabby kitty pisses. Se7en is confusion. And fly like moths around the skeleton. Feeling, being, gone. Where is the love? There! There is your lord! Bow down to him now! How can you be safe when your arms are liquid? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/122 "2003-09-30T01:09:07Z")
Ooooh, I just picked up my TOS Art Asylum figures from the Avon lady, who said, “Here are your little men.” Oh yeah. I like my men vinyl, with rubbery moveable shirts, packed in plastic and stuck in a box. They kinda smell funny, though. Huffing my action figures probably isn’t helping anything. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/123 "2003-09-30T01:10:44Z")
**NCB** , have you gone viral? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/124 "2003-09-30T01:24:27Z")
Viral, spiral. A rose by any other name is a tinted frog with no house to throw. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/125 "2003-09-30T03:39:40Z")
It takes two to roll moss in glass houses. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/126 "2003-09-30T04:35:56Z")
He who laughs last gets two in the bush. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/127 "2003-09-30T05:34:49Z")
[ur=http://www.voyager.cz/]screen caps!!! TOS-- [http://www.voyager.cz/tos/seznamepisod.htm](http://www.voyager.cz/tos/seznamepisod.htm) TNG-- [http://www.voyager.cz/tng/seznamepisod.htm](http://www.voyager.cz/tng/seznamepisod.htm) DS9-- [http://www.voyager.cz/deepspace/seznamepisod.htm](http://www.voyager.cz/deepspace/seznamepisod.htm) VOY-- [http://www.voyager.cz/voyager/seznamepizod.htm](http://www.voyager.cz/voyager/seznamepizod.htm) ENT-- [http://www.voyager.cz/enterprise/seznamepisod.htm](http://www.voyager.cz/enterprise/seznamepisod.htm) Jackpot!!! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/128 "2003-09-30T05:35:10Z")
A book in one hand is worth a rolling stone that never prospers. Got “Raijin” spoilers n’ stuff, anyone? ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/129 "2003-09-30T18:01:32Z")
A Rolling Stone gets Kate Moss? Just saw the episode (Was on a camping trip - B&B campsite all to ourselves). I can’t remember - Did the Xindi ship have crew onboard who were mutating so they were trying to get to Urquat and were caught? Or did they catch the mutation once they landed? If they caught it then - What are the odds that over an entire planet they would pick the spot just within shambling distance that would get them to the Lost City? **Fix** : They would just need to add a “I detect subsurface structures” scene. Quick bullet points: - Going to the surface without bio-suits. **Pro** : they thought they scanned no bad bugs. **Con** : If they could find the bad bugs later in sickbay they need to analyze their scans better. **Fix** : Comment on making detailed scnas and have Phlox say how it wouldn’t show up but that we’ve got to scan better. Have him be a bio-suit stickler from now on. - Vulcan immunity. **Con** : done to death. **Fix** : Stop It. - Mutation. **Pro** : If it was well engineered the species probably wouldn’t have died/ slaughtered out. It probably just didn’t complete the process so they wound up in a primitive state (cite: Malcolm asking why their memories were not complete). **Con** : Just rewriting DNA doesn’t change physiology. You would need to divide and grow new cells. And it doesn’t add the mass of the internal changes and facial ridges. And just why does their hair end up unkempt? **Fix** : Tough. Have them go comatose and writhe for a day. - Unmutation. **Con** : Unrewriting DNA and growing new cells is probably harder. **Fix** : Tough. Have them go comatose and writhe for a day. - Night-Vision. **Pro** : Okay for a primitive mutation. Normal vision during daylight, e.g. in the dream. - Dream: **Pro** : Got to see a nice set. **Con** : The DNA has a cityscape programmed into it?! **Fix** : Have it dreamed after they stumble onto the destroyed city. But this spoils the plot. (Like we don’t already know the city is gonna be destroyed) - Food. Worms in a nutshell is at least not a human looking cantalope being passed off as alien. - Decon. **Con** : How the hell did they get him to the isolation room in sickbay without contaminating the whole ship? And how did the security detail in suits get decontaminated? **Fix** : Have a decon area be off the shuttle bay and have a secure docking ring (sorry, a Universal Docking Ring[sup]tm[/sup]). - Mayweather. **Pro** : He does good as an Ensign who worships his superiors and likes being in Starfleet. **Con** : He stands up to acknowledge Trip’s call. Either that seat gets a slight electric charge whenever anyone talks, or the acoustics are so bad at the Captain’s chair that you have to stand to get above the noise! - Trip. **Pro** : He plays his character naturally. **Con** : When talking to an alien, do **not** say that your _Tactical Officer_ is incapacitated due to mutation. - Communication. **Con** : Instant translation with another race they’ve just met. Great! **Fix** : Make it harder! - Shuttle. **Con** : Why didn’t the aliens blow the shuttle out of the sky when it came back to Enterprise? The aliens away-team was taken out and the shuttle had to be contaminated, so… - Cure. **Con** : They aliens have been working on a cure for 60 years and they see aliens (Archer and Hoshi) come out of a turbo lift with minor facial ridges and suddenly think maybe there is a cure? Bullshit, they’re conning us. Blow 'em up! **Fix** : Have a chase and let 'em talk over the air, exchange data, and let them understand in a few hours. - End. **Pro** : Archer remembers he’s an explorer, not a destroyer and saves the stuff. - Stasis. **Con** : Do you have any idea the technology required to build a stasis box? Peaches as good as the day they are picked and microorganisms that don’t die? ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/130 "2003-09-30T20:48:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vivalostwages \* > \*\*Well, NCB hasn’t weighed in yet, Aes hasn’t seen it yet and neither has Linus, and Cervaise apparently fainted while watching. That’s why this thread is a bit short right now. \*\* Finally got to see it last night (taped on Sunday). My wife is _very_ kind when it comes to criticism of movies and television. When we’re out with friends and we start nit-picking, she usually just rolls her eyes or tells us to get over it. She even instituted a “five minute rule” where she asks us to wait for five minutes after it’s over before ripping a movie/TV show to shreds. My wife made two comments during this episode. She said “ew!” during the grubby coconut scene. [music]Oh, I’ve got a grubby bunch of coconuts…[/music] Then, after it was over, she turned to me immediately and said, “Hmmm. That wasn’t very good, was it?” **That’s** how bad it was. Oh, and wohoo! I finally made it into a sig (verb me, baby!). ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/131 "2003-09-30T21:37:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Corner Case \* > > - Going to the surface without bio-suits. **Pro** : they thought they scanned no bad bugs. **Con** : If they could find the bad bugs later in sickbay they need to analyze their scans better. **Fix** : Comment on making detailed scnas and have Phlox say how it wouldn’t show up but that we’ve got to scan better. Have him be a bio-suit stickler from now on. The worst part is, this isn’t the first time they’ve run into this. Remember the first-season episode _Terra Nova_ (I think it was called)? Trip and a few others were on a pleasantly forested shore leave, and they started seeing and hearing scary stuff? Which turned out to be hallucinated due to some sort of pollen or spore or something that didn’t trigger their bad-bug scan filters? And then in the episode _Future Tense_ (I think it was called), they had that mysterious unscannable spaceship from the future in their cargo hold. They have no idea what’s inside, but they crack the door open anyway. Immediately, Archer sticks his head in, only to yank it out an instant later wrinkling his nose and gasping at the smell. I mean, Jesus Transporting Christ, haven’t these people heard of isolation protocols? It’s an absolute wonder they haven’t all died of Klingon SARS before now. These little oversights bug me. They should be going down in full EVA suits every time. Hell, they spent the costume budget to build the damn things, they should freakin’ _use_ them in a way that makes sense. Of course, if all they have to do when they get back to the ship is douse the suits with UV and Clorox, that eliminates the need for the Decon Panda scenes, but the way they have it now it just doesn’t make any freakin’ _sense._ I’m ranting now. I’ll stop. **Corner Case** just reminded me of it. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/132 "2003-09-30T21:47:44Z")
I think you are referring to “Strange New World.” (Nit.) ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/133 "2003-09-30T21:56:39Z")
Sorry to bring up bad memories, **Cervaise** , but that’s part of my handle. 🙂 I mentally try to _fix_ the oversights and understand that it’s just a show and the actors want to have their expressions seen. That’s why the MACOs don’t wear helmets … nah, I can’t justify it either. It’s not just a show, but I try. 😛 They could invent that force field belt used in TAS … { ducks as fruit and vegetables fly by }\* I appreciated the episode where Trip had to visit that alien ship and had to go through acclimation and his body and senses were off. They should continue that. Why does every alien interact at the same speed? Have one rattle off a short phrase and look like he’s got Tourette’s only to find that they naturally “run” faster. - Have you ever _seen_ a duck act like a fruit or a vegetable? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/134 "2003-10-01T06:21:33Z")
I finally got **viva** ’s tape today; I’ll watch it (and maybe give my opinions on it… I’m a week behind) tomorrow. I’m not exactly looking forward to it. It’s one thing to have **Cervaise** rabidly shred an episode but I think this is the first one I’ve seen where pretty much _everyone_ has. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/135 "2003-10-01T12:13:04Z")
The thread title was aptly named by our little, er, tall green friend. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/136 "2003-10-01T18:27:09Z")
I take exception to the adjective “rabid.” I don’t watch an episode with the expectation that I’m going to tear it apart; I’m not sharpening my knives beforehand. I’ve been a Trek fan since way back, when I was paging through my father’s hardbound first edition of the _Starfleet Technical Manual_ at the age of five. I tune into each episode with the hope that, maybe, just maybe, this is the one where they turn the corner. Maybe this will be TNG season two’s _Measure of a Man_ or _Q Who._ And then I’m almost invariably disappointed. I say almost, because if you recall I’ve had nice things to say about eps like _Cogenitor_ and _The Communicator._ It’s just that in general the show keeps falling far short of where it should be, and in such a stupidly _obvious_ way. I’m just a chunky jamoke in Seattle, and if _I_ know what’s wrong with the show and how to fix it,\* then the supposedly experienced team of Berman and Braga are either irretrievably stupid or they’re making a bad show on purpose. It’s hard not to react strongly under those circumstances. \*Not everybody knows how to run a show, either. See that staggeringly idiotic column by the MSNBC guy who recommended a time-traveling Kirk to rejuvenate the show. I mean, come on. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/137 "2003-10-01T19:02:47Z")
**Aes** , I’ll send a tape on Thursday and start the new one on Th. night. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/138 "2003-10-01T19:21:10Z")
I always tune in with hope and enjoyment. I can even watch _Spock’s Brain_ with laughter not tinged with mania. I remember the _Fight or Flight_ and appreciated how Enterprise couldn’t survive without another species superior help. And _Unexpected_ where Trip had to acclimate to an alien environment. And _Civilization_ where the translator malfunctions (but don’t get me started on the direction of sounds and lip movements). The first and second seasons were working well and developing characters and plots. I can’t help but think that Paramount Brass were just looking and the ratings and the bottom line and saying “You’d better get a bigger demographic or we’ll shut you down.” Ironically, by just going for the action/adventure and the sex they may pull in some, but unless they keep it up they won’t hold those newbies. And if they keep it up they’ll lose their base. Look at us - fans who’ve missed a week and aren’t insane lunatics because of it! It’s a business and needs to make a profit. But you make a profit by serving the customer. Syndication rights to a dud won’t bring in the money. So, I’m hoping that this spate of puerile episodes will bring in the curious, satiate the Brass, and let the writers concentrate on better episodes later. I love the CG and the effects, but lose some of them and save some money. Or put it into latex effects and have some good dialogue among characters. Just remember what _The Twilight Zone_ could do with an empty room, some odd lighting, and a group of people who just become paranoid about what’s happening to them. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/139 "2003-10-01T19:31:32Z")
**Cervaise** , I can’t speak for **Aes** , but I think that was his subtle (well, subtle for him at least ;))way of acknowledging that you are known in these threads for your… um… somewhat cutting (and usually deserved) criticism of the show. Of course, I usually see two reasons for that. First is your reviewing experience - those that have spent a lot of time reviewing entertainment tend to have a lower tolerance for crap (and there has been too much of that so far). Second is the fact that you _are_ a fan and, as such, have such stong feelings that when you are dissapointed again and again, the bitterness begins to show. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594/140 "2003-10-01T20:17:39Z")
It was a combination acknowledgement/slight jab. You know me too well, **Linus**. Nothing personal, **Cervaise** … we all have our idiosyncrancies that’s easily picked at. See **viva** ’s earlier verbing post where she pretty much hits them all (except **Linus** ’ :D) dead-on. By the way, welcome to the fold, **Corner Case**. One of us! One of us! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-extinction-spoilers-fellate-with-too-much-alacrity-here/203594.md?page=8)