# Enterprise Harbinger (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 10, 2004, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531 "2004-02-10T23:12:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2004, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/101 "2004-02-19T02:43:28Z")
Make sure you floss. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2004, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/102 "2004-02-25T10:54:39Z")
I just finished watching this episode and it was pretty good overall. I forgot to take notes on it so I don’t really have much to say so far as details are concerned except that I really liked the combat scenes, the interplay between Trip and T’Pol before they got down to business, and Hoshi showing off a bit of stomach. Mmm. I love midriffs. The things I didn’t really care for was the whole B Plot with the phasing alien. It seemed tacked on and contrived even though it had more to do with the Xindi arc than the training sessions did. I also did not like T’Pol acting like Joan when Adam started dating Iris (viva’ll get that reference), and I can’t decide if I like the MACO chick or not. She was kinda cute and she had a stacked body but her teeth kinda freaked me out. All in all, a decent episode. I give it a C+. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/103 "2004-02-26T06:45:18Z")
I didn’t like the MACO gal’s teeth either, or her delivery. It sounded lazy. ---
**Author:** ![yosemite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/3ab097/32.png) [@yosemite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yosemite)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/104 "2004-02-26T11:44:06Z")
Well, I don’t know what to think of this episode. I just decided to try to catch up on _Enterprise_ (watched an episode ever so rarely the last three seasons). I have a stockpile of episodes and I’m going through them willy-nilly—but mostly trying to get through Season One. But I have watched some of the most recent episodes because, well, they’re on TV and all. I just had no idea that all this emotion was going on. Season One is just building the characters up and getting us used to them. I saw a small amount of “shippy” stuff with T’Pol and Tucker, but I figured it would be pretty low-key. She’s a cold-fish _Vulcan_, after all. At least that was all I was getting from Season One. So—wow. I just did not expect her to drop her gown like that and jump his bones. Oh my gosh. I just didn’t expect it. I had no warning at all. (Didn’t see any promos.) I don’t think I like it. It reminds me of _Moonlighting_, where when they “do it,” the show goes downhill fast. I know that _Enterprise_ is Star Trek and not some romantic comedy, but you’ve gotta admit, they’ve got enough melodrama and silliness in here. I don’t know. I didn’t like it. Perhaps I’d have accepted it more if I’d been following the show for all three seasons, but I’ve not been doing that. The infantile fighting between Reed and the other guy was over-the-top, but it didn’t leave me with the feeling of, “Oh, I don’t like that” the way that the T’Pol/Tucker thing did. Bleah. But still, Tucker is as cute as a button and I adore Phlox, so I’m definitely hooked on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/105 "2004-02-26T20:03:46Z")
Reed is a tightass so the bickering between he and Hayes is completely in character. The paranoia that the MACO is trying to take over security is another matter entirely though. That seemed a bit much. And, unfortunately, the T’Pol thing was pretty much in character too. I don’t know if Jolene Blalock is a horrible actress, if Bermaga are horrible writers, if the directors they have aren’t good enough, or what but T’Pol is more emotional than I am, as a plain ol’ human. It’s really frustrating… it wouldn’t be so bad if she was just condescending and arrogant since that’s how Vulcans are but she’s also quick to anger and is just too sexual (which is entirely Bermaga’s fault) to be believable. Totally unrelated, this is my 3,000th post. Whoo! ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/106 "2004-02-26T23:54:32Z")
FYI, Dawn Ostroff, President of UPN, is the one who asked for more “skin” on ENT. RE: Blalock and T’Pol…I don’t know either. She sure does get emotional, for a Vulcan. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2004, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/107 "2004-02-26T23:59:29Z")
Okay. She sucks too then. I wish ENT had been syndicated instead of on UPN. I bet it would have got better ratings and would have been more readily available as well. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/108 "2004-02-27T00:15:44Z")
Yes, T’Pol sucks. A recurring fantasy of mine, by the way. She swallows, too. :o ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/109 "2004-02-27T00:18:13Z")
> [@Tars Tarkas](#): > > [http://www.geocities.com/fozzie331//enterprise.html](http://www.geocities.com/fozzie331//enterprise.html) > > i added some stuff to the top. Hey cool, I hadn’t seen that before. Episode, um. Twas good. The really need some compitent leadership on that space boat. It took them half the episode to go think “Hmm, he’s endangering the life and his crew and Earth to protect like 13 egg sacs. Maybe something is up.” I also would have kicked MACO Man in the head for being a spineless douche. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/110 "2004-02-27T00:38:54Z")
What episode are you doing here, **W boy**? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/111 "2004-02-27T00:44:29Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > What episode are you doing here, **W boy**? He has No Clue. :)\ ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/112 "2004-02-27T00:45:34Z")
High above the mucky muck, castle made of clouds, there sits **W Boy** , sitting oh so proud. Not much to say when you’re high above the mucky uck… **W Boy** , what is the secret of your power? **W boy** , won’t you take me far away from the mucky muck, man? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/113 "2004-02-27T00:50:31Z")
NOW i’m confused, and not in a “Hey, that guy just spend ten minutes yelling at a lightpost about the evils of toothbrushes” way ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2004, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531/114 "2004-02-27T05:26:02Z")
Hatchery, Harbringer, they’re basically the same word. It’s true, I looked it up… No real I did… you guys are asses… While TV has ruined my memory and I can’t remember what happened in Harbringer, I stand by my vow to kick MACO Man in the head. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-harbinger-spoilers/228531.md?page=5)