# Enterprise: Horizon spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 16, 2003, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992 "2003-04-16T01:37:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/101 "2003-04-20T03:23:17Z")
I don’t watch CNN regularly, but it was on while I was waiting in the airport in 2001. They had a report by Miles O’Brien and I was like, whoa! I have to tell someone. Then I remembered I was all alone. I guess that day was all-in-all good, too. Until the flight attendant made me feel bad for not wanting one of their stupid wet tissues. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/102 "2003-04-20T06:11:27Z")
How much Brien is in this CNN report? Miles O’Brien! ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/103 "2003-04-20T07:39:25Z")
Hey, my sister knew Miles O’Brien was a trek name without me even having to tell her! > [@](#): > > e e[sup]x[/sup] ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/104 "2003-04-20T13:57:13Z")
Eating $100 bills? Is our money good in Canada? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/105 "2003-04-20T20:33:49Z")
It is if it’s in the form of 100-_Canadian_-dollar bills. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/106 "2003-04-20T23:04:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\*Here are the exact words from the exchange at the beginning of [“A Piece of the Action”]: > > KIRK: “Unfortunately, the Horizon was lost with all hands shortly after leaving your planet. We only received her radio report last month.” > > OXMYX: “Last month? What are you talking about? The Horizon left here 100 years ago!” > > KIRK: “A little difficult to explain. We received a report 100 years late because it was sent by conventional radio. Your system is on the outer reaches of the galaxy; they didn’t have subspace communication in those days.”\*\* Uh oh. I just found a place where _ST:TOS_ **itself** contradicts the above notion that subspace radio didn’t exist 100 years prior to the series. In the _ST:TOS_ episode “Balance of Terror”, they establish that a war between the Romulans and Earth ended over 100 years prior to the episode, and that the treaty which ended the war (and which also established the Romulan neutral zone) was negotiated **over subspace radio!** **SO:** [ul][li]The Enterprise NX-01 has subspace communication capability in 2151 and 2152.[/li][li]Both Earth and the Romulans have subspace communication capability in 2160 (the year the Earth-Romulan war ended).[/li][\*]The U.S.S. Horizon did **not** have subspace communication capability in 2168 (the year they visited Sigma Iotia II), and according to Kirk, they “didn’t have subspace communication in those days.”[/ul]😕 ---
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/107 "2003-04-20T23:07:52Z")
Maybe B&B are trying to re-write ST history. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/108 "2003-04-20T23:16:50Z")
Well, if Brannon & Bragga **are** trying to re-write _Star Trek_ history, I hope they’re doing it to iron out contradictions (such as the above contradiction between “Balance of Terror” and “A Piece of the Action”!). ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/109 "2003-04-20T23:20:30Z")
Well then, the first thing to go has to be the Eugenics Wars. Seems like nobody on _Star Trek_ outside TOS ever mentions them (although I can recall once in DS9). Not even when Voyager went back to 1996. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/110 "2003-04-20T23:25:10Z")
Speaking of the Eugenics Wars, when’s World War III supposed to break out? It has to happen pretty soon, otherwise the world won’t be devastated enough to look like it did in _ST: First Contact_ – or like it did in the 2-part _DS9_ episode “Past Tense” when they went back to the early 21st century. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2003, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/111 "2003-04-20T23:30:58Z")
That DS9 episode was supposed to take place in the 2020’s, I believe, and while LA was not a happy place, it was supposed to be pre-WW3. I got the impression that 2063 was just a few years after the end of WW3, so it could be a while yet. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/112 "2003-04-21T00:01:30Z")
Yep. :o I just went back and reviewed my tape of “Past Tense, Part I” (DS9), and the awful conditions in San Francisco’s “Sanctuary” district were caused by plain old fashioned bad policy and a lousy economy, not by a world war. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/113 "2003-04-21T01:28:37Z")
Maybe there was subspace radio, then it all stopped working for like 10 years (the union went on strike). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/114 "2003-04-21T01:54:06Z")
Perhaps it was outlawed by United Earth Space Probe Agency. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/115 "2003-04-21T02:11:33Z")
The Eugenics War started in the 1990s. Apparantly, we are right in the middle of it. But, WWIII was different, and just before Zephram’s warp ship thingy. As for the _TOS_ nit, maybe it should just a Kirk nit, the nit wit. (He was known to lie…) ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/116 "2003-04-21T02:18:32Z")
Ah, San Francisco. What was I thinking, LA? San Francisco is the only city on Earth _Star Trek_ ever mentions. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/117 "2003-04-21T02:21:54Z")
PARIS!!! ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/118 "2003-04-21T02:40:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > **You say that Warp 3 would completely outclass Warp 2. This is true, but I think that the fastest human ship they’ve encountered had a top speed of Warp 2.2. It was in “Fortunate Son”, so you can watch that for the _real_ number.** Ah, but in “Fortunate Son,” Captain Keene was also quoted as saying: “I’m going to need a warp 3 engine just to stay in business.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/119 "2003-04-21T02:53:40Z")
Capatin Keene, the same as Commander Keene of ancient video game fame? ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2003, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992/120 "2003-04-21T03:00:21Z")
Heh, one of the subordinates in “Goodbye Galaxy” couldn’t get Keen’s rank right. She kept calling him Captain, Commodore, Corporal, everything but Commander. I think he killed her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-horizon-spoilers/168992.md?page=7)