# Enterprise Judg(e)ment spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 9, 2003, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467 "2003-04-09T02:19:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/101 "2003-04-11T03:11:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*_My guess is, Klingon Captain Durass_ reluctantly reported to the Klingon high command that the Enterprise had gotten away, so the Klingons sent 3 or 4 battlecruisers to intercept the Enterprise before it left Klingon space. Faced with those kinds of odds, and legal-looking charges being brought against Archer, the crew had no choice but to hand over their captain. > > \*) Was he any relation to the Durass that Worf killed in _ST:TNG_? \*\* * * * Yes, he would have to be Grandpa or Great Grandpa Duras. He sure looked like Gowron, though. Those eyes… I made it through every single episode of every single Trek incarnation ever, and I intend to watch every ep. of this one even if I’m one of the last ones standing by the end. – **vivatheunrelenting** ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/102 "2003-04-11T03:12:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by randwill \* > \*\*How is the Universal Translator suppose to work? Is it implanted in Archer’s ear and we are hearing the Klingon language the same way he is? Why are certain words that have literal translations into English not translated? He has to be told what they mean. > > SNIP \*\* * * * Archer doesn’t have one…yet. The Klingons would have them, I’m sure. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/103 "2003-04-11T03:16:13Z")
As bad as all the rest of the Enterprise episodes. I give up on this series. Floxx is the only redeeming feature (other than eye candy T’boobs). Did anyone notice that the Klingon “cranial crests” have evolved into such extremes that some of them look like they have horseshoe crabs attached to their foreheads? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/104 "2003-04-11T03:28:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\*Okay, so I’m one of the only ones who liked this episode. That’s fine. But could people please be a little more open-minded? Just because you didn’t like it doesn’t mean that anyone who did is deceiving themselves. > > A character can’t say what they believe in without being called preachy. Whatever. > > It’s my personal opinion that the entire television run of _TOS_ is something best laughed at in a sort of “What were we thinking?” way, and then categorically ignored. But if you liked it, I’m not going to criticize you. \*\* Didn’t piss off quite everyone there, **Archernar**. I happen to agree with every one of your points. Especially about the tripe that was TOS. The movies were great for the most part but the original seventy-nine episodes were some of the most horrendous television I’ve ever been exposed to. * * * And **Viva** , so long as UPN allows it, I’ll be standing there beside you at the end. If not, I’ll be there in spirit. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/105 "2003-04-11T03:29:31Z")
I like _you_, **Cap’n Acherner** , I just really didn’t like this ep. Though I did preface that I’m not big into the whole Klingon thingy antways. I find them plodding, dimwitted, and predictable. In every Trek. Except TOS’ _Day of the Dove._ That was cool, but it makes me a geek to think that. I applaud you your forthrightness in defending your tastes. I have seen every one of all the Treks except DS-9, because DS-9 began to bore me. Near the end, I watched again and it was okay. Anything centered on any Bajoran just right put off, tho. I guess I’m specist. Hi, **Viva** , honey! How you doin’? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/106 "2003-04-11T03:35:03Z")
Romulans rule, Klingons drool. Deep Space Nine was the bestest Trek ever. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/107 "2003-04-11T03:37:03Z")
Best Klingon line ever: “There! can! be! no! peace!.. while! Kirk! lives!” ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/108 "2003-04-11T03:37:08Z")
Hi, **ClueCraver!** I’m okay but am off to Risa to get defragged for 2 days and 2 nights (really), and won’t be able to play with y’all over the weekend. ☹ But somehow you will prevail. You will survive and get through it. It’s not as long as you think. It will feel like a long time to me, though. Hey, **Kn\*ckers** –whenever you come back on here–have you ever noticed what nice thighs Bakula and Trinneer have? They are well defined even under their costumes. I just wonder what makes them walk kinda funny. (I notice the weirdest stuff…but that’s not unique around here.) Must be old sports injuries. Mmmm…thighs. Guys’ thighs. I bet they taste like chicken. That vacation isn’t getting here fast enough. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/109 "2003-04-11T03:42:34Z")
The funny walk is 'cause of their shoes. Look at them. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/110 "2003-04-11T03:46:28Z")
I don’t have a foot fetish. I’m a thigh woman. Just as there are breast men, there are thigh women. Really? It’s their boots? I hadn’t noticed. What’s wrong with them? Bakula looks like his lower back is going out on him, and Trinneer looks like he’s stiff. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/111 "2003-04-11T03:49:04Z")
Trineer looks like he’s stiff? Thought you were a thigh woman? :dubious: There’s not much more sexy than a sleek woman’s stomach from my point of view. Yum-my. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/112 "2003-04-11T03:52:59Z")
THE WAY HE WALKS! STIFFLY! LIKE HE’S GOT SOMETHING–oh, never mind! It just won’t come out right no matter what I say! Then you must be enjoying T’Pol’s flat stomach, eh? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/113 "2003-04-11T03:53:46Z")
They look like they have way too much stiffness in the what would that be called? Vamp? The part over the ankle and on up. Similar problem in TOS, 'cept TOS also had bigger heels. The short guys got pretty dern high heels (tho chunky-ish, like ropers) and had funny walks. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/114 "2003-04-11T03:57:11Z")
Kirk was one of the short ones ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/115 "2003-04-11T03:57:33Z")
Has to be a bare stomach for it to be fully appreciated, **Viva**. And not all of them are created equal so I don’t know if she has yummy abs or not. ---
**Author:** ![Rue\_DeDay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/41988e/32.png) [@Rue\_DeDay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rue_DeDay)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/116 "2003-04-11T11:44:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > **The atmosphere of the planet, an impediment?** It gets real cold and since it’s a prison planet and they don’t give you any good lotion, you’d get all chapped if you didn’t stay in your nice tunnel. Duh. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vivalostwages \* > **I’m a thigh woman. Just as there are breast men, there are thigh women.** So so they live on the same planet? The Breast Men and the Thigh Women? Will we be seeing them this season? ---
**Author:** ![Rue\_DeDay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/41988e/32.png) [@Rue\_DeDay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rue_DeDay)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/117 "2003-04-11T11:49:50Z")
When we say _Enterprise_ is good or bad, it’s compared to what? All the other sci-fi on the telly right now? Or the level the series _should_be at given the Trek history? As far as what it _could_be, _Enterprise_is merely mediocrely sucky. Not really trying too hard to break new ground (OK, not at all), but still a reliable product week after week. But still it’s only second season. It could get better. Right now, the competiton for our hearts and minds is pretty much _Andromeda._ We’re not doing so bad with _Enterprise._ Even though it could be much much better. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/118 "2003-04-11T12:33:51Z")
I can say no more than this: I gave up half way through the episode in disgust and watched something else. I guess sucking is an “Star Trek Event!!” now. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/119 "2003-04-11T13:03:09Z")
Well… why do you watch it if you know you’re going to hate it? I realize that I originally turned it on to begin with because of my loyalty to _Star Trek_, but if it had let me down, I probably would have stopped a while ago. I’m not _that_ loyal. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Kn\_ckers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/96bed5/32.png) [@Kn\_ckers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kn_ckers)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2003, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467/120 "2003-04-11T14:22:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by vivalostwages \* > \*\*Hey, \*\*Kn_ckers\*\*–whenever you come back on here–have you ever noticed what nice thighs Bakula and Trinneer have? They are well defined even under their costumes. I just wonder what makes them walk kinda funny. (I notice the weirdest stuff…but that’s not unique around here.) Must be old sports injuries. \*\* How could I have failed to notice? I mean, I do have a working pair of eyeballs in the front of my head, you know. Those two definitely have some fine drumsticks. Happy Thanksgiving! Ugh. That was cannibalistic and weird. My apologies. Maybe they walk stiffly because the jumpsuits are a little ill-fitting? One-piece outfits are pretty uncomfortable by nature, so that could affect one’s carriage, I imagine. Especially if the torso is just a little too short for you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-judg-e-ment-spoilers/167467.md?page=7)