# Enterprise - Love it or hate it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2001, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037 "2001-09-27T02:03:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![broccoli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@broccoli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/broccoli)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/61 "2001-09-27T17:29:29Z")
**WOO HOO** Debo, that’s all I gotta say. My friend ‘squirrel’ has this theory that Tiny “Zeus” Lister should be in every movie made. I was openly cheering that he was a Klingon. I was making a bunch of _Friday_ quotes with star trek references in them (“that’s my phaser, punk!” “you want somma 'dis old man?!?” and of course the requisite “you got knocked the f\*\*k out, man!”). None of the trekkies I was watching the show with understood… damn trekkies. Oh yeah, and is the doctor the same guy who was the leader of the wimpy aliens on _Galaxy Quest_??? I could swear he was… lemme check and see… brb 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/62 "2001-09-27T17:51:28Z")
Okay, maybe I’m just having a senior moment here, but I’m drawing a total blank on this. Why’d they call the episode “Broken Bow?” ---
**Author:** ![slortar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@slortar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slortar)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/63 "2001-09-27T17:55:45Z")
Wasn’t the name of the place where the Klingon got waxed by the farmer? I kinda liked it. I was set for something worse than Voyager and was pleasantly surprised when it only marginally sucked rather than heinously sucking. And I predicted the gel scene two or three months ago. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/64 "2001-09-27T17:55:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by broccoli! \* > \*\ ***WOO HOO** > > Oh yeah, and is the doctor the same guy who was the leader of the wimpy aliens on _Galaxy Quest_??? I could swear he was… lemme check and see… brb 😉 \*\* No, the leader of the aliens in _Galaxy Quest_ is on the show _Just Shoot Me_. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/65 "2001-09-27T18:03:28Z")
One (minor) nitpick I have is when Archer told the helmsman that he was needed on the Enterprise, and couldn’t fly the alien ship. Hello? The plan was for the Enterprise to stay put, for heaven’s sake. How much flying skill is needed for that? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/66 "2001-09-27T18:06:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by slortar \* > \*\*Wasn’t the name of the place where the Klingon got waxed by the farmer? > > \*\* Yeah, Broken Bow, Oklahoma. ---
**Author:** ![jkusters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jkusters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkusters)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/67 "2001-09-27T18:19:20Z")
Haven’t read the rest of the thread yet, but my feelings were pretty positive. Yeah, there were LOTS of continuity errors (I can think of several major breaks with TOS continuity off the top of my head.) I like the humor, I like the wide-eyed fascination with all things new, I like the feeling that the crew is not that far removed from today’s culture (Trip’s accent and demeanor really reminded me of Chuck Yeager and other test pilots of our early space age), and I like many of the “backwards” tech. I do not like T’Pol (how is a catsuit logical?), I did not like the whole “Temporal Cold War” bit, and I honestly doubt they bothered to work out an entire arc for that, I did not like the fight scene in the snow (too hard to follow what was going on, which I chalk up to bad direction), and the physics of the gas planet sucked. All of the characters other than Bakula’s were fairly one dimensional, especially Hoshi (I get it already, she’s afraid of space travel), but I expect this will change as they grow into the characters. Bakula’s been doing this stuff for a while, and I think it showed. And I think the Brit, Reed, has a LOT of potential. As a long-time trekker (I can’t remember a time in my life when I was not influenced by Star Trek in one form or another, and I’m 35), I was a bit disappointed by the racier, sexier edge the show has. However, I am happy to see that they’re equal-opportunity racy. 😃 JOhn (not-so-closeted Trekker). ---
**Author:** ![jkusters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jkusters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkusters)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/68 "2001-09-27T18:22:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arden Ranger \* > \*\*I can forgive a lot because they showed Bakula in his blue undies. 🙂 > > \*\* So, I was watching the show with thomasm, Esprix, and a few friends that Esprix invited over, and during the decontamination scene, Esprix had to ask the question, “Is anyone paying attention to the dialog here?” I think we all said “no.” (And then started making gratuitous comments about things poking out in all directions… 😉 ) JOhn. ---
**Author:** ![seawitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@seawitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/seawitch)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/69 "2001-09-27T18:29:09Z")
Isn’t T’Pol the same name as the old woman who was Spock’s teacher? If the Vulcans have about a 200 year life span, this could very well be the same person. However, it’s a bad sign when I’m calculating Vulcan lives on my fingers instead of paying attention to the screen. I wanted to watch it. I wanted to like it. I’ve been waiting for it to air. Really. I kept anticipating the moment when the plot would grab my attention. Today, more than 12 hours later, I am still waiting. Crap. It might not be my fault. I know I was horribly distracted by T’Pol’s lips. It made her look less like a Vulcan and more like a smirking platypus. At first I thought it was emotion, but then decided it was either collagen or ass-fat injections. Perhaps by next episode the swelling will go down. I’ll watch it again. Just to give it another chance to grab me. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/70 "2001-09-27T18:38:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by seawitch \* > \*\*Isn’t T’Pol the same name as the old woman who was Spock’s teacher? \*\* Nope. You’re thinking of T’Pau. And a catsuit is logical for a simple reason: In TOS, the women on the ship wore miniskirts. Whenever they met women from other cultures, they wore _less_. Think Elaan of Troyyius (lotsa skin), the orion dancers (way lotsa skin), the Romunal Commander from the Enterprise Incident (catsuit), the gladiator ladies in the Gamesters of Triskelion… T’Pol’s outfit is downright modest compared to some cultures. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/71 "2001-09-27T18:39:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by seawitch \* > \*\*Isn’t T’Pol the same name as the old woman who was Spock’s teacher? If the Vulcans have about a 200 year life span, this could very well be the same person. > \*\* THe Vulcan lady from TOS was T’Pau not T’Pol. ---
**Author:** ![jkusters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@jkusters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jkusters)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/72 "2001-09-27T18:43:58Z")
My favorite scene: Archer’s face just as he realizes he’s beel transported off the Suliban ship. That was hilarious. JOhn. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/73 "2001-09-27T18:46:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by adam yax \* > \*\* > THe Vulcan lady from TOS was T’Pau not T’Pol. \*\* T’Pol was going to be T’Pau, but there was an uproar among gee…fans. B&B had visions of their offices turning into the final scene of Frankenstein with the torches and villagers and changed her name. ---
**Author:** ![AWB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bb73d2/32.png) [@AWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AWB)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/74 "2001-09-27T18:46:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > \*\*So given those parameters, how far from Earth was Kronos? > \*\* A little less than a light-year. Closer than Proxima, which is 4 light-years away. ---
**Author:** ![KeithB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/48db29/32.png) [@KeithB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KeithB)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/75 "2001-09-27T19:07:08Z")
What about the letter-boxing? I thought it was a good idea. Also note that they wore billed baseball caps, just like our current astronauts. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/76 "2001-09-27T19:51:54Z")
Some comments on the recent comments: 1. The writers don’t understand what the word “evolution” means. Hmmm, I think if I encountered some alien ninjas who crawl on walls and have skin that bent light and made them disappear, I would think that’s pretty evolved. A heck of a lot more evolved than simple chameleons who can only change hues. Especially if the rest of the species had no such abilities. 2. Use of “where no MAN has gone before”. Yes, they want to go where no humans have gone before. Looks to me like there’s plenty of aliens already there. Later, in TNG, they’re going where literally no ONE had gone before… to areas of space that travellers had not reached. 3. They’re already relying on the “tired” time travel theme. I don’t think they’ve fully revealed the entire temporal cold war plot to the point that I could judge it. The shadowy leader is clearly evil, so I would not trust what he says. He could be lying about being from the future in the same way Prof. Rasmussen fooled Picard’s crew. Or perhaps something else entirely new is going on here. 4. Gel scene. If you were participating in an exiciting co-ed adventure with attractive and available mates, are you gonna tell me that every minute of it will be straight-laced? No hanky-panky whatsoever?? In summation, I liked it and I thought the Star Trek crew did a fantastic job putting this episode together. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/77 "2001-09-27T19:55:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by AWB \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > > \*\*So given those parameters, how far from Earth was Kronos? > > \*\* > > A little less than a light-year. Closer than Proxima, which is 4 light-years away. \*\* Yep, closer than Proxima, except I got a little more than one light-year. But who’s counting? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5ac83/32.png) [@The\_Mad\_Hermit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Mad_Hermit)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/78 "2001-09-27T20:02:57Z")
I liked how they tried to keep continuity with Cochrane’s speech- “where no man has gone before”, indeed. I followed the dialogue during the decontamination scene, but those body shots- what were they thinking? Body wash commercial, yes indeed. They tried to cram too much into one episode. Using the transporter already was a mistake, if it was so dangerous why did they do it? If I was Archer I’d be pissed. The only way this makes sense with all that has gone before is that there is interference from some other time… else how did James Cromwell morph into Glenn Corbett? I don’t like the music. The opening credit video was good, though… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/79 "2001-09-27T20:24:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Steelerphan \* > \*\* Using the transporter already was a mistake, if it was so dangerous why did they do it? \*\* Because else the Captain would be toast. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2001, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037/80 "2001-09-27T20:28:54Z")
**The Controvert** : > [@](#): > > 1. The writers don’t understand what the word “evolution” means. > > Hmmm, I think if I encountered some alien ninjas who crawl on walls and have skin that bent light and made them disappear, I would think that’s pretty evolved. Then you don’t understand what the word “evolution” means either. I recommend you spend some time at [http://www.talkorigins.org](http://www.talkorigins.org) and get back to us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-love-it-or-hate-it/84037.md?page=5)