# Enterprise-Proving Ground spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 21, 2004, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409 "2004-01-21T02:55:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/61 "2004-01-26T19:56:51Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I’m still nagged by troubling thoughts about how Enterprise grade inflation makes a B episode seem like an A. I think it’s Bermaga’s insidious plot to turn out dreck and then at the last minute make a B-show so that it looks like an A in comparison. Then they can put all those accolades in their resume. Same thing in a job - how many put in goals that are mediocre so that you get an excel at your performance review instead of putting in lofty goals and getting a met or needs-improvement? Just how stupid the idea is goes to show you what Bermaga considers “insidious”. > [@vivalostwages](#): > > Would Shran call Mayweather “Blackskin” or Phlox “spottedskin”? Frankly I think caucasians look like orange-skins for the most part. Who have you seen that looks like cotton-candy? But thne, Hey Tangerine Boy" doesn’t really have that harsh ring to it, does it? And then there’s the Green Orion Slave Women. > [@tracer](#): > > Just so long as it wasn’t a Haberman cut. What do Mandy’s cups have do with this? … Oh, _cut_! Well, I’m still clueless. > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > {XHFB, stopping, inertia…}Consistent with Trek canon, amazingly enough. Good point, but I don’t give them that much credit. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2004, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/62 "2004-01-26T20:54:34Z")
I missed the episode on Wedensday because it was pre-empted for a Suns game but I caught it last night. I tend to agree with the people who give it a solid B. It was good, but not spectacular. - **Corner Case** , the Andorians have actual sheilds as apposed to “hull plating” Maybe the Xindi can’t use their sensors through them. Also, I thought T’pol talked about a dense field of _anomolies_, not spheres. - 30%?. Thirty freekin’ percent??!! I’m not sure what’s worse, no backup or a really, really lousy one. Pull out the 22nd century zip disks or DVDs or something for the really important data, if nothing else. I can just see it: T’pol: Captain, it is vital that we have a backup of this irreplaceable data. Archer: But I’ll have to copy over some of my water polo matches! Waahh! - Will someone explain to me how the Xindi superweapon was a failure? Xindi Weapons developer: Fire! Other Xindi: You fool! Even though most or all of the surface of the moon was ripped off, there wasn’t a really nifty planet explosion. You are a miserable failure! \*Speaking of the superweapon, does anyone else find it less than credible that they’re having that much trouble creating one? Right now, if we really put our minds to it, we, with our current state of technology could pretty much make our world uninhabitable. And if we think that a few thousand h-bombs are bad, how about a few dozen 1-2 kilometer rocks sped up to a good fraction of lightspeed? Ever since the birth of the atomic age, the trouble with warfare isn’t lack of force - it’s the ability to direct and apply the force precisely. Destroying is much, much easier than conquering. \*While _Vertigo_ had a couple of great scenes, I far preferred _Rear Window_. Not only did that movie show me that James Stewart was a heck of a lot more than just George Bailey, it made me understand the country’s fascination with Grace Kelly. Was that woman aptly named, or what? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2004, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/63 "2004-01-26T21:31:53Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > I’m not sure what’s worse, no backup or a really, really lousy one. > > - Will someone explain to me how the Xindi superweapon was a failure? Berman probably pays someone to take care of his PC and doesn’t know about backups. Hell, he probably pays someone to type. I supposed that the data and its backup were destroyed. T’Pol found those temp files Windows makes and got some of the data back. The Xindi are really mean ugly and nasty. Nothing sort of Death Star results will do. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2004, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/64 "2004-01-26T21:50:32Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > **Corner Case** , the Andorians have actual sheilds as apposed to “hull plating” Maybe the Xindi can’t use their sensors through them. Also, I thought T’pol talked about a dense field of _anomolies_, not spheres. But did the Humans or Andorians know if the Xindi could or could not scan the Human bio-signs on the Andorian ship? Also, I was _assuming_ that all anomalies are caused by Spheres and I was referring to the diagram of circles behind T’Pol as she said that. > [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > 30%?. Thirty freekin’ percent??!! And we’ll never have a scene about data backup again. Okay, at the most it’ll be some side-comment in some later episode like, “Glad we installed that backup storage.” {Uh, from where? And why weren’t you using it before?} I bet Bermaga thinks that to prevent problems during an EMP surge they just need some RAID storage. > [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > Will someone explain to me how the Xindi superweapon was a failure? The Xindi council wanted the thing TOTALLY DESTROYED. No wonder they’re having such a hard time! Yes, they could drop and asteroid or release a bio-weapon, but if it didn’t kill EVERY LAST HUMAN, it is apparently worthless. Boy, what happens when little Johnny comes home from school with an A-? OFF WITH HIS HEAD! No, no no - I love my people … Pull! > [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > I far preferred _Rear Window_. And the frustration with seeing and not being able to act is gripping. I always wondered if Perry Mason could get Lars acquited. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/65 "2004-01-26T22:34:03Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > The Xindi council wanted the thing TOTALLY DESTROYED. No wonder they’re having such a hard time! Yes, they could drop and asteroid or release a bio-weapon, but if it didn’t kill EVERY LAST HUMAN, it is apparently worthless. Boy, are they gonna be ticked off when they find out there are like 893245 human colonies so far, and that’s just the humans aliens have transplanted to other worlds! ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2004, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/66 "2004-01-26T23:16:58Z")
> [@Tars Tarkas](#): > > Boy, are they gonna be ticked off when they find out there are like 893245 human colonies so far, and that’s just the humans aliens have transplanted to other worlds! 893245? Say _what?_ ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/67 "2004-01-27T01:01:05Z")
> [@Corner Case](#): > > What do Mandy’s cups have do with this? … Oh, _cut_! Well, I’m still clueless. You know … Haberman cuts? The Habermans? Scanners? Cordwainer Smith? Oh, heck, just think “Cranching Wire” and you’ll remember… ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/68 "2004-01-27T02:38:23Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > how about a few dozen 1-2 kilometer rocks sped up to a good fraction of lightspeed? Maybe the Xindi have lost control of Klendathu and no longer possess the capability to launch asteroids on pinpoint trajectories across the galaxy. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/69 "2004-01-27T03:46:42Z")
> [@drewbert](#): > > Maybe the Xindi weapon is a [hoberman sphere](http://www.exploratoriumstore.com/hoberman.html)… Looked to me like it’s small when powered down and expands when powered up. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/70 "2004-01-27T04:02:50Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > Looked to me like it’s small when powered down and expands when powered up. [anatomy joke] well, they did seem to be pretty cock sure, now didn’t they? [/aj] ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/71 "2004-01-27T04:43:33Z")
Khan: “It is very cold in space.” ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/72 "2004-01-27T07:41:48Z")
**NCB:** The cool little gadget you sent is even better than a Xindi Super Happy Fun Ball (not that I have one around to compare…). 🙂 Now, if I could just get me a ksuser.dll (please tell me “ks” doesn’t stand for kirkspock), I’d be able to see the pix. **Aes** : Watch yer mail and don’t fling the package around, 'kay? Happy Birthday to both of the aforementioned! ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/73 "2004-01-27T08:27:40Z")
> [@Wearia](#): > > 893245? Say _what?_ It seemed like every week one of the Enterprises or Voyager or DS9 was running into humans on some random planet. So humans are already out there, like cockroaches, and the Xindi could have all the RAID in the galaxy, but they won’t kill us dead. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/74 "2004-01-27T08:28:41Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Maybe the Xindi have lost control of Klendathu and no longer possess the capability to launch asteroids on pinpoint trajectories across the galaxy. Oh, come one now **Cervaise**. Enterprise has had its bad moments but it’s never gotten as bad as that movie. Besides, we haven’t seen that much of the whale Xindi. Maybe they also launch enormous rocks out of their butts. Happy Birthday **Aes** and **NCB**! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/75 "2004-01-27T08:58:36Z")
It’s not until Friday but thanks. I hope \*\*viva \*\* is sending me the phaser cutting phaser I asked for. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/76 "2004-01-27T16:30:02Z")
> [@Tars Tarkas](#): > > Boy, are they gonna be ticked off when they find out there are like 893245 human colonies so far, and that’s just the humans aliens have transplanted to other worlds! I thought there were 893244. Even if the Xindi wipe out Earth and all of the colonies, there’s still Amelia Earhart and Khan floating around in space. There was that Air Force officer, but he’s probably dead in the _Hotel Royale_ already. So, Khan could be pleased that the Xindi destroyed the ancestors of all of his imprisoners, or pissed that he has no one to rule. Anyway, he and Amelia could restart the human race. Where are the damn Organians when you need them? [sub]NB: **tracer** [sheepish] I never read Cordwainer Smith’s _Scanners Live in Vain_ [/sheepish][/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/77 "2004-01-27T16:40:22Z")
Oh, I forgot Larry’s other brother Darryl. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/78 "2004-01-27T16:49:42Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > It’s not until Friday but thanks. > > I hope \*\*viva \*\* is sending me the phaser cutting phaser I asked for. Well **viva** didn’t make that clear in her post. OK, then I rescind my wishes until Friday, at which point I un-rescind them… Oh, hell. Just have a good whole week. It’s easier that way. _I_ want a phaser cutting phaser! **Viva** , if he gets one, I want one too! **Corner Case** , don’t forget Zephram Cochraine. Let’s see, who else is floating around out there? \ Danger Will Robinson, Danger! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/79 "2004-01-27T17:39:47Z")
> [@Linus Van Pelt](#): > > don’t forget Zephram Cochraine. Let’s see, who else is floating around out there? Miramani’s people, that the Preservers replanted on that planet with the asteroid deflector - _Paradise Syndrome_ Voyager 6 - _ST:TMP_ Dave Bowman. David Bowie Jim Bowie Lil Bow Wow George Clinton President Clinton. Lazarus Long Howie Long Methuselah aka Flint - _Requiem For Methuselah_ ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409/80 "2004-01-27T17:58:42Z")
[QUOTE=Corner Case] Even if the Xindi wipe out Earth and all of the colonies, there’s still Amelia Earhart and Khan floating around in space. There was that Air Force officer, but he’s probably dead in the _Hotel Royale_ already. So, Khan could be pleased that the Xindi destroyed the ancestors of all of his imprisoners, or pissed that he has no one to rule. Anyway, he and Amelia could restart the human race. QUOTE] Egads, Amelia Earhart/Khan Noonian Singh slash! :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-proving-ground-spoilers/225409.md?page=5)