# Enterprise Rajiin Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 1, 2003, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816 "2003-10-01T00:21:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/61 "2003-10-02T18:50:42Z")
**Aes** , I think **K’Penvin** actually liked this episode. Reread his posts. The one thing that many Trek Dopers posting here seem to forget (re: this ep) is that the Xindi attacking Enterprise were rogue. NOT authorized. Also, The future guy told Quantum last season, that someone from the future told the Xindi of Earthers wiping them out. So… they really want to know about humans. Is Enterprise representative of Earthers in general? Do Earthers have some sort of technology that can be evolved into a species killer? Knowing the possible outcome of your battle with Earthers, wouldn’t you like to have intelligence concerning them? Since Enterprise is right close, STUDY THEM! Don’t blow them up til you have enough info. Remember, the Xindi are fearing the EXTINCTION of their entire race. That’s part of this arc. The arc set up by Future Guy. All Qs of tactics and reasons and backstory needs to keep this in mind. NoClueBoy - your Big Picture Trekker. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/62 "2003-10-02T19:12:25Z")
i missed it and will have to catch it on rerun or the dl. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/63 "2003-10-02T19:20:16Z")
Ok, I forgot. Yes, the Xindi should care about why the humans want to exterminate them. It just seemed like they were jumping the gun by blasting Earth _without_ having first studied them so that now not blowing them up seemed out of character. However the “Xindi Council” might be just a rogue group themselves and don’t want to call attention to the “Real Xindi Council” who would spank them. Similarly the Reptiles and Insectoids do their snatch-and-grab of their Rajiin-plant and don’t want to do too much and be spanked by their “Xindi Council”. Besides, they need someone on whom to test their bio-weapon. And they’ll need to do Test1, Test2, etc. until they make it work just right. And maybe they’ll need to put in some RNA-virus that attacks human DNA, just to be sure that another Ur-quat-like situation doesn’t occur. And maybe Phlox will develop a retro-virus that counteracts the bio-weapon. And maybe the retro-virus infects the Xindi and wipes them out and goes on to transform the Enterprise crew into 1960’s style hairdos and miniskirts, and … [sub]maybe I went too far[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/64 "2003-10-02T19:21:38Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Corner Case \* **[ul][li]Nice that the Merchant was bought off by common spices vs. Warp Plasma.[/ul]**[/li][/QUOTE] Yes, I forgot this bit. This was really clever. “On my planet,” says Trip, “wars were fought over these.” I almost murmured out loud: holy cow, good writing. What show am I watching again? **kingpengvin** ’s comments are valid, though. Like I said before, the running-firefight tactics employed by the show seem more like 20th-century SWAT-in-a-building than 22nd-century commando-on-spaceship, and that’s a serious failure of imagination. For example, if I were the Xindi boarders, here’s how I’d attack:[ul][li]After forcibly docking (i.e. throwing across the grapples), blow the airlock as we saw[_]But I don’t have anybody waiting; instead, I scan the interior for defenders[_]If there’s anyone there, my docking ring opens to space, venting the target corridor and killing the defenders[_]Alternatively, if the target corridor hasn’t been sealed off with bulkheads (as apparently it wasn’t), fly in remote drones that move at high speed and penetrate the ship as far as possible before detonating[_]Boarders go in wearing EVA suitsSue for surrender, as Enterprise is now crippled and helpless[/ul]By contrast, Enterprise can attempt to repel the boarders by pre-venting the corridor, or by turning off gravity to hinder their movement, as I said before. And for Pete’s sake, close some bulkheads, willya? It’s like the bad guys are invading a college dorm.[/li] But these are nitpicks; _Trek_ has never been any good at military tactics and the like. Remember the immortal moment from TNG where Picard _sees a laser beam coming and ducks out of the way?_ Neo’s got nuthin’ on Cap’n Baldy, I guess. “Whoa. I move faster than the speed of light.” Maybe I’m being too kind because the show is usually so crummy, but like I said, I was actually entertained this time. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/65 "2003-10-02T19:27:30Z")
Smaug ---
**Author:** ![ChuckForbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@ChuckForbin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChuckForbin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/66 "2003-10-02T20:04:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zap\_Rowsdower \* > \*\*3. Did wonder what happened to Hoshi, must have had to cut a scene. > \*\* I’m not sure what happened either, but remember, Hoshi is a cunning linguist. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/67 "2003-10-02T20:26:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ChuckForbin \* > \*\*I’m not sure what happened either, but remember, Hoshi is a cunning linguist. \*\* that is also what Hoshi’s girlfriend says… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/68 "2003-10-02T20:28:35Z")
Shame on you, Chuck. Tars is gonna beat your ass. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/69 "2003-10-02T21:05:19Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by carnivorousplant_ > **Tars is gonna beat your ass.** [sub]Whew, glad I didn’t submit that one about “What does the dyslexic Tarzan say about a prostitute?” … {clicks on the Back button}[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/70 "2003-10-02T21:20:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > **Aes, I think K’Penvin actually liked this episode. Reread his posts.** > \*Originally posted by kingpengvin \* > **…this is a C- episode and it is very telling that weak episodes like this get praise** Doesn’t seem like he’s too fond of it to me. A _C_ is average… a _C-_ would be only incrementally better than being _below_ average. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/71 "2003-10-02T21:28:16Z")
Ah I had misread that as “I (KP) am jumping up and down on my puppy while eating Oreos™” My bad. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/72 "2003-10-02T21:33:16Z")
Plugging my thread about [Jake 2.0](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=214984) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/73 "2003-10-02T21:39:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Corner Case \* > \*\*[sub] “What does the dyslexic Tarzan say about a prostitute?” … {clicks on the Back button}[/sub] \*\* Is that an Edgar Rice Burroughs thing? Lord Greystoke…I don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/74 "2003-10-02T21:40:13Z")
Did Rajiin do the bioscan of T’Pol because Vulcans are Earth’s allies and the Xindi might want to destroy anyone who might assist Earth? If you’re not able to see it on Wed. night, tape it if possible. Maybe that counts for something; I’m not sure how they figure out how many people are watching. Do they still only go by Nielsen boxes? Speaking of which, I don’t understand why the folks at Trek Today are saying that the ratings dropped sharply on ENT because of the Smallville premiere. It looks as if the numbers on “Rajiin” are the same as they were last week–which is still a few points higher than it had been last spring. Would it help to move ENT to Tuesday nights when it would have no genre competition, or would it just confuse people and TiVo if they can’t find it? **Aes** , I sent your tape this morning and am starting another for you tonight. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/75 "2003-10-02T21:42:20Z")
**corner case** , et. al., if you missed the link for writing/emailing bigwigs and sponsors to support ENT, here it is again: [http://www.triphammered.com/support.shtml](http://www.triphammered.com/support.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/76 "2003-10-02T21:50:53Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by carnivorousplant_ > **Is that an Edgar Rice Burroughs thing?** No, it’s just a bad play-on-words. Tarzan would say to a prostitute, “She hoe”. A dyslexic one would say, “Hoe, she.” ---
**Author:** ![ChuckForbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@ChuckForbin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChuckForbin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/77 "2003-10-02T22:06:37Z")
Keep your day job, **Corner**. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/78 "2003-10-02T22:12:02Z")
This is his day job. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/79 "2003-10-02T22:22:58Z")
Man, Tarzan hires prostitutes to do his gardening? What an ape! ---
**Author:** ![ChuckForbin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@ChuckForbin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChuckForbin)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816/80 "2003-10-02T22:35:19Z")
Enough Tarzan (Tarzan Tarkas?) , let’s get back to the topic at hand, that is Hoshi, and T’Pol’s PJ’s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-rajiin-spoilers/204816.md?page=5)