# Enterprise: Regeneration spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562 "2003-05-07T01:36:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/1 "2003-05-07T01:36:37Z")
Pretty good. Continuity and canon are preserved. Pure adventure, not a moral tale like last week. Archer commands and Mayweather speaks. People die. T’Pol goes for the Spock solution. Maybe it’s the Vulcan solution. Contains what may be my third favorite Trek line. After the Borg have escaped sick bay, Archer tells the bunged up guard “Stay here in case something else happens.” Yeah, you did such a good job the first time! (Second line is from Devil In The Dark: Kirk “They’re aigs, aren’t they?” Spock “Yes, Captain, eggs.” and the third from TWOK Kirk: “Here it comes.”) Ha! I hijacked my own thread in the first post. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/2 "2003-05-07T02:33:48Z")
Is there a PandaBorg? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/3 "2003-05-07T02:43:06Z")
Pandas? We ain’t got no pandas. We don’t need no stinkin’ pandas! Looking forward to seriuos, initially panda-free discussion tomorrow. Enterprise is improving. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/4 "2003-05-07T03:07:04Z")
Yes good stuff, the ending still sorta works with TNG so I’m happy. I like how they actually hit the borg, I’ve been waiting for someone to pull those damn cords out the back of their pasty heads. Less Panda than I like though… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/5 "2003-05-07T03:13:59Z")
Archer wasn’t a wuss, either. He did grimace about having to kill somebody, but maybe he’s improving. Reed enjoyed beating up on someone for a change, too. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/6 "2003-05-07T03:15:30Z")
Nope. Never gonna like it. Nu uh… no way, no how. You cannot have the friggin’ Borg in the 22nd Century. And if you think I’m overreacting now, just watch the hissy fit I pitch when Archer or T’Pol meets a Romulan face to face. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/7 "2003-05-07T03:18:30Z")
They came to Earth in the movie First Contact. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/8 "2003-05-07T03:20:39Z")
Bah! Kirk came to Earth in TOS but you don’t see us flying Constitution class starships do you? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/9 "2003-05-07T03:30:46Z")
Lily saw them and Cochrane knew about them. The remains of the Borg sphere from FC are found in the Arctic. Give it a chance. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/10 "2003-05-07T03:30:47Z")
_Borg : Reloaded_ ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/11 "2003-05-07T03:33:03Z")
NEEEEEVER! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/12 "2003-05-07T03:35:48Z")
_Borg : Reloaded_ ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/13 "2003-05-07T04:03:30Z")
Blame Canada, Aes. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/14 "2003-05-07T08:10:24Z")
I’m still waiting to see, not how the Borg get there, but how humanity conveniently forgets about them for 200 years. If it’s blathering technobable about “the space-time continuum” I… well, I won’t be pleased. Hmmm. I can just see it. “Q” appears at the end of the episode, and says “I’ll need this race in a couple hundred years to scare the crap out of a tight-assed captain. I better wipe out everyone’s memory, or it just won’t be as much fun.” “Hey, what the hell is that panda doing here?” ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/15 "2003-05-07T10:50:29Z")
I don’t read a lot of science fiction, but from what I’ve seen, most stories that involve time travel incidentally treat it one of two ways - either you can change the past or you can’t. In, say, _Star Trek_ and _Back to the Future_, you can change the past, which leads to certain causality violations, but that’s okay, as long as you’re not in a causality-conserving universe. The only good example I can think of off the top of my head in which you can’t change the past is _Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy_. So what does it mean to be able to change the past? It means that any shows that aired _before_ you went back in time show one world, and any shows that air _after_ show the changed world. As long as you adhere to this, you’ve got consistency, and therefore, continuity. Now, I haven’t seen this episode, but even if the Borg make themselves fully known to humans and everything you fear comes true, it’s okay, because in _Star Trek_, you can change the past. “Q Who?” aired before _First Contact_, so it shows the old, unchanged past. Only if you can find a show that aired after _First Contact_ (i.e. the last two seasons of DS9 or the last four seasons of _Voyager_) that says that the Borg were not known in the 22nd century will there be a continuity violation. Still don’t understand what I mean? Still don’t believe that you can change the past in _Star Trek_? Consider the following four examples: “Yesterday’s Enterprise”, “Past Tense”, “Trials and Tribble-ations”, and _Star Trek: First Contact_. (In _First Contact_ I’m talking about the part near the beginning of the film before they go back in time, when they see the changed Earth.) There are probably some more good examples in _Voyager_, but I didn’t see the whole thing. The easiest example to understand is probably “Trials and Tribble-ations”. “The Trouble with Tribbles” did not show DS9 crew on K-7; “Trials and Tribble-ations” did. If you don’t buy that showing two different versions of the same place in spacetime is legitimate, how do you explain _that_ little lapse in continuity? ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/16 "2003-05-07T11:50:11Z")
So…is it s _good_ episode, a _fun_ episode, or a _bad_ episode? ---
**Author:** ![Kn\_ckers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/96bed5/32.png) [@Kn\_ckers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kn_ckers)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/17 "2003-05-07T12:25:30Z")
I don’t really care about all the continuity stuff, I just really dislike the borg. After they were introducted on TNG, they were okay for about two episodes, but after that they just got totally boring and stupid. And that whirring, clunking noise they make is damn annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/18 "2003-05-07T12:45:08Z")
Okay, if you don’t like the Borg that’s fine, but did you at least like _First Contact_? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/19 "2003-05-07T12:57:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\* > > So what does it mean to be able to change the past? It means that any shows that aired _before_ you went back in time show one world, and any shows that air _after_ show the changed world. As long as you adhere to this, you’ve got consistency, and therefore, continuity. > \*\* Just as Kirk said “Mysteries give me a belly ache” Janeway said that time travel paradoxes “give me a headache.” A good example of how First Contact changed trek is in Voyager; 7 of 9’s parents were studying the Borg, having learned about them from the events in FC. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/20 "2003-05-07T13:05:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\* > The easiest example to understand is probably “Trials and Tribble-ations”. “The Trouble with Tribbles” did not show DS9 crew on K-7; “Trials and Tribble-ations” did. If you don’t buy that showing two different versions of the same place in spacetime is legitimate, how do you explain _that_ little lapse in continuity? \*\* You obviously haven’t seen the Canadian version ot _The Trouble With Tribbles_ 🙂 Try _Time And Again_ by Jack Finney. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562.md?page=2)