# Enterprise: Regeneration spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2003, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562 "2003-05-07T01:36:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/121 "2003-05-08T18:46:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > No, no, no. The guys I’m talking about transported over to Enterprise from the modified Earth ship. These guys got hit by phasers, adapted, but the remaining Borg on the modified Earth Ship did not adapt. Maybe just bad editting, or maybe just sloppy writing. Didn’t anyone else notice this or was I imaging things? Okay, I think I understand you now, and I think you’re right. I seem to remember something was a little odd about the timing of the shots. Also, weren’t the phasers supposed to need 10 seconds to reload? I was a little distracted during this part. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/122 "2003-05-08T18:46:20Z")
Why did it take so long for the crashed Borg ship to be detected? Was this ever explained? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/123 "2003-05-08T18:55:04Z")
check it out: [http://www.petitiononline.com/endentp/petition.html](http://www.petitiononline.com/endentp/petition.html) > [@](#): > > Fan outcry achieved the unprecedented in 1968 when STAR TREK was renewed by NBC for a third season. With UPN’s announcement that ENTERPRISE has been renewed for season three, it is time for the TREK fan community to act again and request that this series be ended before any more damage is done to one of the great icons of American television. > > The original series was written by a virtual who’s who of science fiction authors and, in the great tradition of the genre, consistently and fearlessly explored topics taboo to the “realistic” drama of the day, while ENTERPRISE is mired in a cycle of revisiting and undermining the integrity and continuity established in the original series. With each passing week, the achievement of the original is diminished by hackneyed writing, poor execution, and an apparent ignorance of what STAR TREK is about. The current series is part of the STAR TREK tradition in name only and should be abandoned as the failure it is. > > We the undesigned call on UPN and Paramount to cease production of the television series ENTERPRISE immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/124 "2003-05-08T19:03:27Z")
Also, [WTF?](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0356069) Star Trek: Borg Encounter? ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/125 "2003-05-08T19:03:31Z")
Wow, that’s pretty serious. Especially given the huge response: 12 Total Signatures I wonder if the 1968 petition garnered anywhere near that much support. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/126 "2003-05-08T19:19:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*Also, [WTF?](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0356069) > > Star Trek: Borg Encounter? \*\* _sob_ ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/127 "2003-05-08T19:22:49Z")
The Borg sphere ship wasn’t found because of the SEP Field Generator™ that was left running until someone noticed the large (yet invisable) impediment to their dog sledding. A dog sled at full speed and suddenly stopped will catch your attention, let me tell ya! So, anyways, they figure out that the Borg thingy is there and in so doing caused a total existance of the SEPFG™. They didn’t call it Borg, though (of course). They thought it was simply an older version of Microsoft Internet Explorer and so they set up their research lab right there. They named it UPN for Uptight Paranoid Ninnies, which also explains the “heavily armed” part. (I mean, it was Microsoft, right?) The reactivation of the Borg drones was caused by reactivating them, which in turn deactivated the Nintendo the other scientists were playing. All the Borg knowledge knowledge of Earth came from the _Cosmo_ and _Tiger Beat_ magazines the commander had in his bathroom. After reading these, the Microsoft drones were so worried about pleasing their man sexually and winning a date with Tyrone, that they promptly forgot about all the rest of the planet and decided to do a “ROAD TRIP!” I meant Borg. Besides, in _ST:FC_ it was shown that Borg were actually eveangellical miniters and had quite a weakness for Peppermint Schnapps. That had nothing to do with this ep, tho, so it was ignored. Look close and you see one of the Borg with a Jack Chick tract about _Space Seed_ and why you shouldn’t spread yours. Besides, Wolverine shut down Cerebo. Hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/128 "2003-05-08T19:24:43Z")
\<\\> FAILURE \<\\> [sigh] ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/129 "2003-05-08T19:38:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > Also, [WTF?](http://us.imdb.com/Title?0356069) > > Star Trek: Borg Encounter? There’s something really weird about this entry. It looks like all their information was gotten eighth-hand. If the 2003 date is correct, t’s definitely not a movie. Possibly a video game? Jim Carbonetti is the only other person listed in the Full Cast and Crew. He has an odd filmograpy, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/130 "2003-05-08T19:45:35Z")
[It’s a theme park attraction](http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2003-02/20/15.00.film) ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/131 "2003-05-08T20:25:22Z")
Oh, well that doesn’t sound so bad. Cool. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/132 "2003-05-08T20:48:43Z")
is is like the Country Bears, with a robot Janeway and robot Doctor singing old timey songs? “How much is that Borggy in the window, the one with the waggling assimilator tube…” ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/133 "2003-05-08T21:41:38Z")
Ack… Voyager movie? Oh well, more Jeri Ryan is never a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/134 "2003-05-08T21:47:19Z")
Oh man, that petition is really taking off! Check it out! > [@](#): > > 13 Total Signatures We need to start a counter-petition, or else we’d never have a thread (or two) to talk about nothing in every week! ---
**Author:** ![Rue\_DeDay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/41988e/32.png) [@Rue\_DeDay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rue_DeDay)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/135 "2003-05-08T22:47:26Z")
Well, you wouldn’t have the thread here in Café **Achernar**. That’s all I’m saying. You know (because everyone was mentioning it) how it looked like _The Thing_ there at the beginning? I was hoping they’d find a frozen Kurt Russell and he’d run amok swiping everyone’s shape. That would have been cool. Although there’d be no reason to bring Archer Inc. into things. And two other things: 1. The Borg. They walk all slow and clunky. Like Frankenstein’s Monster. Only not so graceful. Why? I mean they are hoo-manoids. Only strengthened up. (And I’m not going to get into the “science” of stronger-yet-no-bigger-muscles.) And then you put in super-powered computer brains, so they can think faster and they’re all stronger, yet still “Errr… Argh!”. That bugs me. B. The stolen freighter ship (whtever it was) turned up with 3% more mass. How? They sucked all the air out and turned it into lead? Oh yeah. That’s not more mass, it’s just denser. Maybe they side-swiped Jupiter on the way out and sucked up some stuff there. Oh yeah! When Phlox got irradi-zapped. I thought he should have come out and said “Don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.” I would have liked that. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/136 "2003-05-08T23:37:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rue DeDay \* > **The Borg. They walk all slow and clunky.** They should carry machetes. _“Kill kill kill kill kill kill…”_ ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/137 "2003-05-09T00:04:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rue DeDay \* > B. The stolen freighter ship (whtever it was) turned up with 3% more mass. How? I don’t remember that part, but they could have cut some mass off the Tarkalean ship. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/138 "2003-05-09T01:27:23Z")
The added engine stuff would have weighed more. Ever heft a four-barrel carb? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/139 "2003-05-09T01:57:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > **Hmmm… the Binars are referenced.** Yep. Not only were the Bynars apparently known in the 22nd Century, Dr. Phlox said that they routinely replaced their healthy parietal lobes (the upper-side-rear parts of the cerebral cortex that control vision and coordination) with some kind of computer processor. Of course, after the episode was over, I immediately looked for my video tape of [“11001001”](http://www.startrek.com/library/tng_episodes/episodes_tng_detail_68338.asp) to see if Phlox had broken _Trek_ continuity. Only to discover that “11001001” wasn’t among the episodes of _ST:TNG_ I had on video tape. Which made a perfect excuse to rush right out and buy the complete 1st season of _ST:TNG_ on DVD. And you know what I discovered? I discovered that there was no evidence in that episode that the Bynars were a new species as far as the 24th century was concerned. Check. I discovered that the Bynars did have some kind of flashing metallic implant sticking out of one side of their head, somewhere around where one of their parietal lobes would be if they’d been human. Check. And I discovered something else, which was far more important. I discovered that I’d forgotten just how darned **good** the 1st season of _ST:TNG_ actually was. The first 2-and-a-half seasons of _ST:TNG_ still had ol’ Gene Roddenberry at the helm. Sure, the show was full of touchy-feely Southern California good vibrations, but they didn’t solve their problems with Treknobabble and the plots hadn’t yet fallen into that Berman-Braga routine we see today. And the special effects were pretty darned good, considering they were done with models instead of CGI and on a TV series budget. And the background music! It cound run circles around the formulaic background music we get in _Enterprise_. At the time I first sat _ST:TNG_’s first season, I was kind of disappointed in it, because movies like _THe Wrath of Khan_ and _The Voyage Home_ had set the bar so high for the Trek franchise. Now, though, after 7 years of _Voyager_ and almost 2 years of _Enterprise_, the early Next Generation episodes look **damn** good by comparison! ---
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2003, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562/140 "2003-05-09T02:38:02Z")
I don’t know **Tracer** , the women officers in the 24th century were still wearing skirts in TNG, which seems kinda backwards. The show seemed odd in the first season. Maybe I’m too used to post-beard Riker eps. Although, now that I think about it, there was that _one guy_ who was wearing a skirt-like uniform. Blech! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-regeneration-spoilers/173562.md?page=8)