# Enterprise Sigularity spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 20, 2002, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682 "2002-11-20T02:50:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/41 "2002-11-21T01:52:42Z")
The old Trek concept of radiation giving you something besides radiation sickness. Did you notice “reed alert” and the noise which will be “red alert” in TOS? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/42 "2002-11-21T01:55:12Z")
Remember the game _Asteroids_? (Malcom saves the day!) Captain’s chair came out of a Chrysler minivan I’ll think of other nits later. Decent episode ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/43 "2002-11-21T01:56:45Z")
you’re right, plantguy. funny ---
**Author:** ![Sycorax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Sycorax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sycorax)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/44 "2002-11-21T02:20:47Z")
I liked it! Started off kinda slow, but picked up. It’s reminiscent of TOS’s “Naked Time” (is that the right title?), but not as good. It was nice to see Hoshi and Malcolm agitated and angry, even if it was from the radiation. They normally are kinda blah. Except for my continued antipathy for Ms. Fishlips, I enjoyed it. A little humor, a lot of emotion, some suspense; yeah, I’d call it progress. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/45 "2002-11-21T02:30:55Z")
plantguy? 🙂 The strength and the weakness of Enterprise is the Star Trek franchise. Reed alert and the neck pinch are connections to TOS. In Ariel, I really thought Reynolds was going to whack Jayne. Cool. (hmmm…Jayne. Janeway. Malcolm Reed, Malcolm Reynolds.) I knew that Phlox wasn’t really going to dissect Meriweather (sp?), and that T’Pol would stop him, and since they are playing up the connection to TOS, she would use the neck pinch. Boring. Between showing skin on the women and jumping up and down, waving their arms and screaming “We’re Star Trek! We’re Star Trek!” I wonder if Enterprise hasn’t fallen into a trap of formula writing. Firefly has the advantage of being new and ignoring science. Enterprise has the legacy to keep up, to some extent, and from that legacy provide some explanation, however superficial of the science fiction involved; warp engines, transporters, etc. Another advantage is not having to explain the alien races we’ve met before in Trek. We know Klingons are bad guys, Ferenghi are thieves, etc. Man how I wish the Firefly guys were writing for Enterprise. Sorry, I’ll let someone else talk now. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/46 "2002-11-21T02:59:17Z")
Well, I decded to watch Enterprise despite how crumy you guys made the basick plot sound, and I’m qute astoundded. Not only di you compleitely miss what the episode was about, but a lot of what you claimed was’t even shown! I wonder if you’d get a message even if it’s starin you right in the face! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/47 "2002-11-21T03:21:48Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* \*\* (SNIP) ## Trip says “ass.” (SNIP)QUOTE] Was he referring to Archer at the time? 😃 Dammitall, I gotta quit reading this thread. 35 minutes till I see it—I’ll be back after the 'Zone. - ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/48 "2002-11-21T03:26:51Z")
sorry, badelvismoviepun, I’ll check back later to see what you’se thinks Twilight Zone spoiler: [SW6ROTJ] “It’a trap!” [/SW6ROTJ] ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/49 "2002-11-21T07:16:04Z")
**Badelvismoviepun**? Hey, I kinda like that! It was intended to be a joke on the song, but whatever. Okay, so Trip **was** referring to Archer’s ass after all. Literally. They played up everybody’s concerns and potential obsessions fairly well, given the time limit. Archer’s still got a thing about his dad’s legacy. Hoshi was terrific when she screamed “CARROTS!” and “GET OUT!” And she’s the featured character next week. Phlox is downright creepy sometimes. But we knew that already. Malcolm probably would have been happier serving on a ship in the 18th century. Mayweather is really worried about doing the wrong thing. (Actually, it would be refreshing to see him really blow it some time.) T’Pol is showing more emotion lately, which can only help. Porthos got two lines. Why wasn’t he affected, by the way? Because he’s just a primitive quadruped? Does making someone drink coffee and dunking them in the shower really help with radiation? Or drunkenness? I’ve always wondered. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/50 "2002-11-21T11:44:05Z")
Man, this thing blew chunks. Gee, the crew is affected by a heretofore unknown outside force changing their personality, wow, how original, Trek has never done THIS before. The Vulcan is unaffected, SURPRISE! She is also able to read and analyze complex medical data, determining the root cause of the illness in a species that is not her own, chick’s got mad skillz. There is a way out, but it is blocked by an _asteroid field_, ooooooh! Apparently, this trinary star system has different radiation than other, non-trinary star systems, but they don’t explain why, that’s because there is no reason for the radiation to be different! ugh! And the kicker, the final straw, the coup de grace, the chair only needed to be lowered 1cm? WTF? Can you even notice a change that small? I think Firefly has ruined this show for me. ---
**Author:** ![Rue\_DeDay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/41988e/32.png) [@Rue\_DeDay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rue_DeDay)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/51 "2002-11-21T12:14:17Z")
I don’t know what was worse, Trip with his hands all over the Captain’s “seat” for the whole show, Hoshi needing carrots then just to be left alone, or that Mayweather was talking and Phox had to sedate him to shut him up. Suffering from radiation poisoning? A nice shower is what you need. Or a lobotomy. Either is just as effective. And too salty? Malcolm, any fluid Hoshi produces is JUST FINE. (Sorry.) -Rue. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/52 "2002-11-21T13:17:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cheesesteak \* > \*\* She is also able to read and analyze complex medical data, determining the root cause of the illness in a species that is not her own, \*\* She says in the log that Phlox’ work told her what was wrong. Yeah, the radiation causing sickness thing does suck. At least they didn’t have to have air around their guns. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/53 "2002-11-21T13:29:25Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cheesesteak \* > \*\*Man, this thing blew chunks. Gee, the crew is affected by a heretofore unknown outside force changing their personality, wow, how original, Trek has never done THIS before. The Vulcan is unaffected, SURPRISE! \*\* Ok if Phlox was unaffected then he would have determined the cause right away and alerted the Captain before ghe was too far gone. Couldn’t have been one of the humans because well why would effect the rest. Any other aliens out there? > [@](#): > > \*\*And the kicker, the final straw, the coup de grace, the chair only needed to be lowered 1cm? WTF? Can you even notice a change that small? > \*\* I tried it with my chair it does make a difference if the one centimetre means that your feet dangle or sit comfortably. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/54 "2002-11-21T13:38:51Z")
The chair thing showed the difference between a freaked out Tripp and the regulat Trek engineer type. Memo to self: Do not let engineer drink coffee before important repairs. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/55 "2002-11-21T14:12:06Z")
kingpengvin, it’s just such a pat storyline. I think it might have been much more interesting if Phlox was the only one not affected, or maybe if it was a mystery that he and T-Pol had to figure out. Maybe Phlox should have been piloting the ship, which would have been fun since he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Or, maybe they could come up with an original storyline. The whole “crew disabled by a mysterious force, except for one who has to save everybody” thing is pretty damn old. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/56 "2002-11-21T14:18:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Cheesesteak \* > \*\* > > Or, maybe they could come up with an original storyline. The whole “crew disabled by a mysterious force, except for one who has to save everybody” thing is pretty damn old. \*\* Agreed. Better they had a broken catalyst disabling the ship and only one guy to fix it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/57 "2002-11-21T14:29:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*Agreed. > > Better they had a broken catalyst disabling the ship and only one guy to fix it. 🙂 \*\* Hey, at least I can identify with that. I’ve been standing next to a broken down car saying to myself “If I only had these two tools, I could fix this and be on my way.” That plot at least has a basis in reality. Think about Apollo 13, those guys could easily have died out there just because of a malfunction. Previously unknown radiation affecting everyone’s personality in exactly the same way? C’mon! They can do better than this. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/58 "2002-11-21T14:32:43Z")
Yes, I agreed, it’s an old, silly, stupid plot device. They could at least have Porthos bring home a disease from the Andorian dog show that sickened everyone except T’Pol and or Phlox. You will thak me when we only have Enterprise to watch. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/59 "2002-11-21T14:43:24Z")
Definitely a rehashed Trek plot-- used with several variants on ST:TNG (the leading source of ripped off plots). But no jarring “A-Team” moment today, just some hammy over-acting. Maybe a 5.5? Next week looks better (although I hestiate to mention that transporter malfuctions were a TNG plot stable is well). ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2002, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682/60 "2002-11-21T15:15:51Z")
Well, I pulled from Archer’s bouncing out of the chair the moment Trip left the bridge that Trip didn’t fix it at all but Archer didn’t want to reopen that particular can of worms. And did anyone else find it **funny** that, in the first episode where he’s finally got a decent sized part, Mayweather gets sedated? > [@](#): > > _Phlox_ > Eh, you’re not supposed to talk so much. Eat hot morphine, foul ensign! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-sigularity-spoilers/137682.md?page=4)