# Enterprise Similitude & Spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 19, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035 "2003-11-19T03:09:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/1 "2003-11-19T03:09:08Z")
Okay, I’m starting this one just to start it. Haven’t seen it yet but it looks intense. The whole mimetic sim/clone angle could be exploited for some very disturbing material. Hope they deliver on it. * * * “Is this truly the only earth I can live on?” --temp worker, David Rees’ _Get Your War On_ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/2 "2003-11-19T03:30:01Z")
“This is the most Trekish episode I’ve seen of this series.” -Mrs. Plant She speaks, of course, of TOS I thought it would suck, but it was very good. The science sucks, of course. Where are the crew quarters? The rust colored material covering the hull covers Archer’s window. Later we see the stuff covering a window, but particles flaking off and “floating” by the window. WTF? Is the stuff on the glass, or on a nacelle viewed from the window? The model breaks the nacelle off, and the next shot of Enterprist has the nacelle on the same side hidden from view by dust. Did T’Poll and Sim do the big nasty? He’s limping when he goes into sick bay. Spokesque stuff: torpedo burial, reaching into a plasma filled hole to save the ship. Not in that order, or course. 🙂 “This stuff is an unidentified material that we know nothing about. That is why I am letting you hold it in your bare hands.” How the hell can you have an unidentified element? They, or the places for them, are on the periodic table. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/3 "2003-11-19T03:32:20Z")
**SPOCKESQUE** , dammit. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/4 "2003-11-19T03:56:33Z")
The periodic table only workth periodically in the 22nd and a half thenthury. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/5 "2003-11-19T14:05:05Z")
Thanks for clearing that up. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/6 "2003-11-19T15:02:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > **"This is the most Trekish episode I’ve seen of this series." -Mrs. Plant. She speaks, of course, of TOS.** What makes this appear “Trek-ish” versus other episodes or series? > [@](#): > > **The model breaks the nacelle off…** A mutant Elle MacPherson is in this episode? Wow! > [@](#): > > Did T’Poll and Sim do the big nasty? He’s limping when he goes into sick bay.\*\* Oh no :eek: Trip’s pregnant! … Again! 🙂 I hope the episode delves into what Trip thinks of this procedure. “We the clones who are about to die salute you” kind of thing or do they get scared for being cheated of a long life. And in the end, how does Trip deal with his clone(s) having to give up a life for him? And does Trip contemplate how much of himself (and his old self) he really is. Touches on the old transporter delimma - are you really yourself after trasnport? The episode could end with Trip posing these questions and then going into The Thinker pose as the credits roll. And if the issues are raised, I hope they follow up on them as subplots in subsequent episodes. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/7 "2003-11-19T15:07:09Z")
I can understand wanting Trip to have moral dilemmas about having this clone but remember, not everyone would care. I certainly wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/8 "2003-11-19T15:16:26Z")
What is it you tune into _Enterprise_ to see? I like science fiction for new scientific ideas and extrapolations, and to see twists on social, physical, and psychological issues that make me question my beliefs and ideas. Plus the panda, but that goes without saying. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/9 "2003-11-19T15:20:56Z")
I meant not everyone would care about having a clone and the percieved moral repercussions. So far as the other goes, I tune in just to be entertained. I like watching characters develop and situations resolved… everything else, including messages about society is just a bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/10 "2003-11-19T18:33:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\* The science sucks, of course. > \*\* Uh, oh. As a biologist, this episode will probably drive me crazy (nothing new for Trek, but good to see it coming) ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/11 "2003-11-19T18:34:37Z")
To be forewarned is to have four arms. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/12 "2003-11-19T19:40:37Z")
Tars! Is the book Sim is reading from one of the ERB Martian novels, or _War Of The Worlds_? Memory in DNA is featured in this week’s _Bad Science_. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/13 "2003-11-19T21:40:26Z")
Dunno, will have to watch to find out (will probably tape episode and watch later) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/14 "2003-11-19T21:52:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\*Dunno, will have to watch to find out \*\* This is important, dammit. Consult crewman Daniels time travel thingie. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/15 "2003-11-19T22:42:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*This is important, dammit. Consult crewman Daniels time travel thingie. 🙂 \*\* **carnivousplant** , **Tars** probably already knows! :dubious: It’s simple, really. You see, I’m sure he’s contacted Gary Seven. Seven’s benefactors acquiesed to Tars’ plea to know what the book is, but not as Tars expected. That’s why his simple reply took 2 hours. Seven’s benefactors sent Tars back in time to 1986. There Tars was able to locate Kirk and Spock when they came to get the whales. His knowledge of the future convinced them he was a time traveler and they offered him a ride forward in time in the Romulan Warbird. Tars used the Starfleet Database Scotty put in the Warbird. He located the starship logs from the historical NX-01 missions and accessed the video surveillance logs. There he was able to zoom in on the book jacket. He then wrote a letter and the moment he posted it Seven had it in the future and pulled him back to the present. Simple, really _… Is it any wonder? …_ :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/16 "2003-11-20T00:24:40Z")
Your Honor, if it please the Court… -It does. I would like to point out the historical inconsistencies of the defense’s account of the murder. -Continue. The defense states that he knew nothing of the condition of the “Humanity” of the clone, yet, it was he who first petitioned the Supreme Galactic Overlord for the recognition of clones as “Humans” with all the priviledges and responsiblities that such a defifnition attaches to said creature. Yet, he is a Wookie. This does not make sense. [extrememly loud sounds of surprise and astonishment, with an Evinruud outboard motor thrown in for harmonic balance] -[banging gavel] Order in the Court! Order in the Court! One more outburst like that and I’ll declare this a closed hearing. Counsel? Yes? -The Wookie Defense is not valid on the Planet of the Seven Stars. Invoking it as a prosecutorial device calls into question your qualifications before this Court. Your Honor. If I may…? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/17 "2003-11-20T00:33:19Z")
Waiter, I’ll have whatever he’s drinking. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/18 "2003-11-20T00:49:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Corner Case \* > \*\ ***carnivousplant** , **Tars** probably already knows! :dubious: It’s simple, really. Why, yes i do know. I just can’t tell you, because of the time travel paradox, which will make me cease to exist and create and alternate 1985 where Biff Tannen controls Hill Valley. ---
**Author:** ![kasuo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8c91f0/32.png) [@kasuo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kasuo)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/19 "2003-11-20T00:56:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider: (pulling down a diagram of Chewie) this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2003, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035/20 "2003-11-20T01:03:28Z")
> [@](#): > > There are some species that rely solely on genetic sequencing to pass on their cultural memories. Evidently, humans have a similar capacity,” All right, i’m travelling back 3 months ago to kick this writer’s ass… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-similitude-spoilers/214035.md?page=2)