# Enterprise Spoilers-The Augments **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 12, 2004, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371 "2004-11-12T13:26:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2004, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/21 "2004-11-13T22:17:04Z")
> [@Jayn\_Newell](#): > > IIRC, [transporter technology is] something they picked up from the Vulcans. Hmmm … in “Broken Bow,” they make no mention of who built the transporter, only that “they” say it’s safe. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/22 "2004-11-14T00:03:01Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I seem to remember an episode where Klingon pirates beamed down to some planet demanding their “protection fee” or somesuch. Are you talking about the 2nd season episode “Marauders”? Where 7 Klingon bullies harass a planetare settlement of (cough cough) deuterium miners? Where they beam down to the planet’s surface with a blood-red-looking transporter effect? Nope, never heard of it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/23 "2004-11-14T02:21:25Z")
Consists of conquering a planet and stealing their stuff. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/24 "2004-11-14T03:38:23Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Are you talking about the 2nd season episode “Marauders”? Where 7 Klingon bullies harass a planetare settlement of (cough cough) deuterium miners? Where they beam down to the planet’s surface with a blood-red-looking transporter effect? > > Nope, never heard of it. It’s the T’Pol white jumpsuit camel toe episode. Where she teaches people how to beat Kilngon warriors by falling down creatively. Odd… I’m surprised you never heard of it. Maybe you should drive out to your local video store… Also, in TOS’ _A piece of the Action_, it was brought out that comms, warp, and transporter technology are all interelated. Once one breaks one, they will eventually find all of them. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/25 "2004-11-14T07:06:59Z")
Well, I gotta say that so far, I am thoroughly enjoying the new season of **Enterprise**. It was great to see Brent Spiner, although the “Augments” wasn’t really all that interesting to me. My little T’Pol-Tripp heart hasn’t given out just yet, even though TPTB seem determined to stamp it to death! With that said, I am -so- looking forward to the Vulcan-centric episodes upcoming!! I’ve attempted to roleplay Vulcans in the past, so I’m always anxious to see how Trek Universe portrays them, especially females. The Vulcan “show no emotions” concept is so hard to grasp … _lol_ So where -did- Malik come from there at the end?! I wanted to know too! ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/26 "2004-11-14T16:28:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Klingon Technological Advancement > > Consists of conquering a planet and stealing their stuff. > 🙂 You sure you’re not thinking of the Pakleds? “Duh, we smart, we steal engineer to make ship go.” (My dad called them the Bartyles & James aliens.) ---
**Author:** ![JimOfAllTrades](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@JimOfAllTrades](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JimOfAllTrades)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2004, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/27 "2004-11-14T18:39:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Actually it was “I can’t finish it, maybe in a generation”, meant to be understood as “The Next Generation”. Actually, it was: Soong: “I’ve been thinking, perfecting humanity may not be possible. Cybernetics, artificial life forms…” Archer: “Goodbye Doctor.” Soong: (to himself) “I doubt I’ll finish the work myself, might take a generation or two.” > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > It’s the T’Pol white jumpsuit camel toe episode. And speaking of T’Pol and jumpsuits, why does she change suits in the middle of this episode? She starts the episode in the one (IIRC) she wore most of last season, the darkish red one. She wears this through the end of the scene where Archer comes back to bridge and they’re at the Klingon border. Tripp has modified the warp drive and they jump to warp 4 to follow the Augments. The next scene we see Enterprise catch up with the Augments and they trade fire. In this scene, and for the rest of the episode, T’Pol is in her spiffy new light blue jumpsuit. Seems odd for a Vulcan to think, ‘We’re at high warp chasing a dangerous foe, the captain is weak from being injured, so I better nip down to quarters and change my color coordination.” Still, I liked the episode. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/28 "2004-11-15T00:49:06Z")
> [@RJKUgly](#): > > She wears this through the end of the scene where Archer comes back to bridge and they’re at the Klingon border. Tripp has modified the warp drive and they jump to warp 4 to follow the Augments. > > The next scene we see Enterprise catch up with the Augments and they trade fire. In this scene, and for the rest of the episode, T’Pol is in her spiffy new light blue jumpsuit. Even Vulcans know it’s unfashionable to wear the same clothes 2 days in a row. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/29 "2004-11-15T05:45:33Z")
Or even two hours in a row. I noticed too. Or maybe it’s all one uniform and it changes according to her moods, such as they are. Did you see the patch on the arm? I’m baa–aack! I’m late, but I was on shore leave for several days, doing the Victorian Inn thing, eating seafood, hunting for ghosts, museum-ing, watching a tall ship come in, and hanging out with the Master-at-arms from **Master and Commander**. **Aes** , should I keep sending tapes? I have another one completed for you. It was pretty okay, not quite as good as the first two eps in this arc but had moments. Did anyone else think the music during the fight scene between Malik and Persis just wasn’t working? Who the heck is that blonde gal on the bridge? She got more lines than Mayweather and we haven’t even seen her before. Hoshi sounded bored to death; can’t say that I blame her since all she gets to do is make and receive phone calls. Chef and Porthos really would have augmented this ep. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/30 "2004-11-15T05:50:08Z")
I don’t know. You can keep taping if you want to or just take a break for the time being. With no TV, they’ll just pile up in the corner and gather dust. (Truth be told, I’ll miss \*Joan \*more than _Enterprise_.) Thanks for the card, by the way. None of these other sons of targs sent me nothin’. Not even \*\*Linus \*\*and I’ve always thought he and I were like Spock and McCoy. I’m so disillusioned. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/31 "2004-11-15T18:32:17Z")
Okay, I watched this yesterday (on my, obligatory reference ahead, _TiVo_) last night. Eh. Was okay. Not as good as it has been, but not as bad as all of season two and big stretches of season three. Mostly it’s kind of generic, with a few tossed-in references to Botany Bay and stuff to Trek-ize it. The grappler attack on the Klingon vessel was kind of a cool idea, but it didn’t really pass the plausibility test. This is a Klingon battleship, which must outgun _Enterprise_ ten to one. The Klingons were pounding _Enterprise_ to convince it to pull over, not to destroy it. The minute the grapplers hit and it became clear that the humans were no longer just running but now fighting back, the Klingons should have opened up with everything they had, and _Enterprise_ should now be spacedust. Made kind of a neat visual, but it was completely insensible from a standpoint of strategic plausibility. (Blowing Archer into space to rescue him was a much better SF idea, though not exactly original either.) I liked that Malik killed his major-domo (domette?); the later incarnations of Trek have generally lacked the balls to kill off good guys, finding ways instead of rescuing important folks at the last minute, or of making their deaths a big deal after leading up over many episodes (e.g. Major Hayes). In this arc they killed a redshirt scientist and a major supporting character. All the same, they still chickened out on the bioweapon bit. Were I the writer, that warhead would have splashed down and caused a holocaust. Let’s _really_ bump up the stakes. The bit with him on the burning bridge was a nice nod to Khan, too, but it seems to me that if they’re going to be revisiting their past like that, they could have tightened up the script and made it less predictable. _Wrath of Khan_ certainly has its dated and cheesy elements, but as far as plotting, it’s one of the tightest things Trek has ever done. By directly referencing such a high point, the weakness of the story structure here comes into clearer focus and winds up looking much worse in comparison. Oh, and the ending sucked. Malik appearing out of nowhere, and then Soong sitting in his cell talking about “your trek among the stars…” —Oh, wait, wrong dopey reference. Grrr. Next week’s Vulcan episode has some promise, though latter-day Trek has gotten the Vulcans so horribly wrong that an hour dedicated specifically to them could turn out to be a disaster. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/32 "2004-11-15T20:29:25Z")
I saw it last night too. First let me clear up a mystery that keeps popping up. Yes, Malik used the transporter, if you think back on the scene before the bird of prey explodes, TuPol notes that she’s reading the warp reactor ramping up for meltdown. Soong then hails the Augments, where we see Malik start plugging away at the controls. He even says “See ya soon”. I’m really loving this season. Again, I can’t say this enough, great use of 3-D space. One of the pitfalls of most Sci-Fi movies is there plane on approach to fighting. I love seeing the ships come at each other from such unusual angles. Nitpick: I though it was impossible to use an escape pod at warp. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2004, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/33 "2004-11-15T20:57:48Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > The grappler attack on the Klingon vessel was kind of a cool idea, but it didn’t really pass the plausibility test. Is not the wing the strongest part of an aircraft? It’s what holds all the weight up in the air. If the physics of warp engines are similair, I would thing that rather than the warp nacelle tearing away, Enterprise would have been dragged along by the Klingon. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/34 "2004-11-16T01:16:26Z")
The physics of nonatmospheric space flight (which isn’t really “flight,” if you think about it) are so different from regular fixed-wing flight that I’m not sure one could extrapolate safely from the latter to the former in terms of vehicle engineering without tripping over a whole lot of unfounded biases and intuitive-but-wrong misapprehensions. Of course, this is Trek, whose spacecraft are somehow able to make whoosing sounds in a vacuum. So what do I know. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/35 "2004-11-16T01:40:11Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > I’m not sure one could extrapolate safely from the latter to the former Nontheless, I should thing that where an engine connects to the ship to haul it around would be the strongest part of the structure. Of course this is non-Einsteinian physics, so who knows? The “wings” might just serve to hold the warp engines away from the craftso the crew doesn’t get microwaved. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/36 "2004-11-16T01:44:07Z")
According to Okuda, that’s _exactly_ why warp nacelles are separated from the ships. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/37 "2004-11-16T01:54:26Z")
Yeah, but then you have runabouts and shuttles with nacelles right in next to the body, not to mention some of the more unique designs, like the Oberth (where the hell are the engines on that thing, anyway?) and the Prometheus. Either they’re not that big a deal or Starfleet makes their officers sign waivers saying they won’t sue if their little tadpoles can’t swim upstream after a couple tours of duty. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/38 "2004-11-16T01:58:12Z")
Don’t ask me. Talk to Okuda. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/39 "2004-11-16T02:03:06Z")
Was Okuda even on Trek when the Oberth was introduced? I don’t think he’s responsible for it. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2004, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371/40 "2004-11-16T02:10:07Z")
And his idea wasn’t canon anyways. He was just offering an after the fact explanation that some of them came up with. IIRC, Gene may have hinted at it in his TOS writer’s guide, but it wasn’t until TNG and all the major tech geeks got to thinking about it that they actually made a stab at a plausable reason. But still, not canon, so I’m open to other ideas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-spoilers-the-augments/274371.md?page=3)