# Enterprise: "Stigma" (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 5, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947 "2003-02-05T14:50:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/21 "2003-02-06T03:34:52Z")
Ooooh, but on the other hand… Next week’s looks cool. Damn! I got a Tribble on my back. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/22 "2003-02-06T03:34:53Z")
Ah well, I was entertained by the episode, but… 1. Yes, I too would like to see an episode where Vulcan’s are not portrayed as major assholes, or pricks, as the case may be. 😉 I’m still wondering why they all have to have the same hair style, one that the Romulans seem doomed to have as well. 😃 2. The message was obviously AIDS-related, and was definitely a bit too preachy, IMO. I did enjoy the scenes with Phlox and his second wife – boy those Denubians (is that right?!) sure have … er different ideas about relationships, don’t they?! Talk about open marriages! And good ole Trip seems to be an alien chick magnet! Boy, now I’ll really have to campaign for a female Tellarite. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/23 "2003-02-06T04:02:32Z")
I can’t decide if I should be happy or annoyed at not having UPN and thus unable to watch Enterprise. On the one hand, it’s Trek and I want to see it but on the other, I’m not so sure it is. I’d be seriously relieved if, in five years (this is only season two, right?), Archer wakes up in a cold sweat to find it was all just a dream or somethin’. They’re totally screwin’ up the timeline here. ---
**Author:** ![SLASH](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a3d4f5/32.png) [@SLASH](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SLASH)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/24 "2003-02-06T04:12:56Z")
Some people have suggested that Enterprise takes place in an alternate timeline, and thus anything that happens on it doesn’t affect the other Trek series. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/25 "2003-02-06T04:24:01Z")
I’ve run across that myself, **SLASH** , but AFAIK there is nothing canon on that subject. Unless it’s coming up… Another Daniels show? ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/26 "2003-02-06T04:45:49Z")
I like that idea, **SLASH** , but until Paramount says it isn’t canon, it unfortunately is. After all, there’re alot of people out there that wish to disregard Voyager since it played fast and loose with Trek lore but it is still canon… somethin’ tells me Enterprise will be too and it’s just wishful thinking. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/27 "2003-02-06T07:54:24Z")
Didn’t anybody else catch the oh-so-subtle AIDS/HIV information ad at the end of the show? One does get tired of being clubbed over the head. Still, it’s better than “Marauders” or “Vanishing Point” (not saying much, I realize). Otherwise, I’m with **tarragon** ; the B-story was fun. Pheezil Phlox (dang, that’s a great username!) was quite entertaining to watch, as was Trip’s discomfiture. “You can pull it out now.” 😃 [If a Vulcan pulls out from a mind meld too soon, is that a premature…Never mind.] What’s “Monkey in the Middle” ?? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/28 "2003-02-06T08:22:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tarragon918 \* > \*\* > SNIP > > I did enjoy the scenes with Phlox and his second wife – boy those Denubians (is that right?!) sure have … er different ideas about relationships, don’t they?! Talk about open marriages! And good ole Trip seems to be an alien chick magnet! Boy, now I’ll really have to campaign for a female Tellarite. 😃 \*\* * * * Denobulons. 😉 Now I’m thinking that Phlox and Pheezil would have enjoyed a three-way if Trip had agreed to it! Am I really so far off? ---
**Author:** ![Kn\_ckers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/96bed5/32.png) [@Kn\_ckers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kn_ckers)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/29 "2003-02-06T12:37:56Z")
**viva** , that’s the sickest thing I’ve ever heard. Great idea! As for this episode, yuck. Yuck. Yuck. I don’t watch Enterprise to be preached to. I watch it to be entertained by a silly space story. I feel kind of guilty, though, because I know it was for a good cause, and they were trying to do something helpful, but for crying out loud, just give me a break and lemme relax for once, couldja? Also, I see that the teaser for the next one bills it as a Timely Enterprise; Looks like it’s going to be an allegory for the Mideast Crisis. Super. Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to the season of Very Special Episodes. Kn(can T’Pol please fall down a turbolift shaft? PLEASE?)ckers ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/30 "2003-02-06T13:17:11Z")
And movie plot rip offs! ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/31 "2003-02-06T13:21:17Z")
Aaagh! This one was about as subtle as a sledgehammer. Have B&B been taking too much LDS? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/32 "2003-02-06T13:46:17Z")
[Monkey in the middle.](http://www.eteamz.com/soccer/pills/pill061.htm) Sort of a combination of dodge ball, keepaway, and soccer. The big continuity flaw for me overall with Enterprise is that they are portraying the Vulcans as being so _mean!_ All that prejudice is illogical, and emotionally based. Now, granted, T’Pol having this disease also helps explain why she’s not bolted down too tight–this, combined with the memory suppression explained in _The Seventh_ means she’s probably a couple phase inducers short of a full warp core, if you get my meaning… ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/33 "2003-02-06T14:06:15Z")
I loved how Pheezil had the same big Joker smile as Phlox, and how she even spoke the same way…very nice. I wonder if Pheezil and Phlox ever (ahem) reunited on this visit. Phlox shrugged it off, saying they were a very patient people. Okay, but it’s been four years! Damn, man! And if Phlox doesn’t have a problem sharing his wife, how come he pushed away that ensign who had a crush on him? Apparently they don’t have the same mores on fidelity that humans do, so why didn’t he take her up on her offer? ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/34 "2003-02-06T15:57:09Z")
'cause she was an icky human… I mean have you seen what fluids and vapours those things excrete on a daily basis… Disgusting! ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/35 "2003-02-06T16:06:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ivylass \* > \*\*And if Phlox doesn’t have a problem sharing his wife, how come he pushed away that ensign who had a crush on him? Apparently they don’t have the same mores on fidelity that humans do, so why didn’t he take her up on her offer? \*\* Well, she probably just didn’t float his boat. Now if it was Hoshi, he probably would have done her in a heartbeat. (Well, I know I would have… 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/36 "2003-02-06T16:30:36Z")
When TOS dealt with the West military supporting the good guyd vs. Godless commies supporting the bad guys, it was current and controversial. Only Pat Robertson would want AIDS victims to go untreated. It just seems the way to write Trek to these dummies. Did the Pheezil actress play the altered Cardassian spy on Voyager? (Chakotay: “Was _anyone_ working for me?”) Tripp couldn’t have a relationship with the wife because of life long Southern be a nice guy. Same reason I can’t stop saying “Yes Mam” and “No Mam”. My Mama would slap me. ^:)^ ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/37 "2003-02-06T16:35:48Z")
Say, you don’t suppose this episode was about HIV, do you? ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/38 "2003-02-06T18:05:28Z")
:dubious: you know I never thought about that! Wow what a subtle way to show the human condition! They should have had a Mugatoo! I like large white horned monkeys ---
**Author:** ![Sycorax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Sycorax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sycorax)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/39 "2003-02-06T18:35:34Z")
Well I’m glad to see that at least some of you guys are moving past your adolescent stage and getting tired of the obvious pandering. I don’t see the problem with continuity – yeah, the preaching was a bit much, but it makes sense to me that a practice once considered abhorrent can become the “norm” in any society. It added another dimension to the Vulcans, and it helped make T’Pol a teeny bit more likeable. The character, that is – I still don’t like Jolene’s portrayal of her. I always thought she came off as stiff and robotic-like, but I noticed for the first time that she stands and walks around with her arms held stiffly back – trying to make those fake boobs even more obvious maybe? I didn’t like Voyager’s pandering with 7 of 9 either, but I liked the character and the actress. As for Phlox’s wife – she weirded me out. just too obvious and inappropriate. Whether the Denobians have open marriages or not, you just don’t go aboard a ship (or anywhere) to conduct business and immediately start obvious flirting with the crew. So what was Trip supposed to do with her in his face – throw her to floor and do her right there? or say “okay lady, we’ll get it on later, but for right now help me figure out this microscope.” The series needs more humor, but this was a ridiculous scenario. BRING BACK VOYAGER!!! ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2003, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/40 "2003-02-06T18:42:20Z")
But if the mind meld wasn’t the norm how do you explain the concepts of the Kartra and Fal tor Pan which are described as ancient Vulcan rights involving… The mind meld. The Vulcan’s for the most part in this series have no dimensions except for Scowling snooty plot devices to either A) Impede Archer and crew’s exploration by refusing to give information or B) Threaten to take away T’Pol from Archer. Only in the first episode with the Andorians, and the two episodes with the renegade Vulcans (one was teh story of T’Pol’s grandmother) did they have an interesting dimension. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947.md?page=3)