# Enterprise: "Stigma" (Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 5, 2003, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947 "2003-02-05T14:50:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/61 "2003-02-07T21:13:31Z")
Are the tholians next week? I need to see me some crystal aliens, so i can ask them about whether those people who like crystals and think they cure stuff are really worshiping Tholians ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/62 "2003-02-07T22:03:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > **Has anyone else given up on Enterprise yet?** Not yet, but I’m getting really close. I don’t want to, because I bailed on _Next Gen_ towards the end of the first season, and then when everybody said it had suddenly figured itself out midway through season three, I had a lot of catching up to do. I figure I’ll give it to the end of the current season, and then decide over the summer break whether or not to tune in for season three. If this last show had been the season finale, the answer would be no. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Sycorax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Sycorax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sycorax)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/63 "2003-02-07T22:35:51Z")
I’m real close to giving up on it, but can’t quite do it…I keep hoping it’ll get better, but I think I’m also afraid that if Enterprise fails, there won’t be any more ST series. Carnivorousplant: Refresh my memory. I’m a real fan of TOS - even have most of them on tape, but I don’t recall the IDIC thing and the amulet…does this mean I’m not a trekkie? :eek: Tars: next week: Andorians. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/64 "2003-02-07T23:47:18Z")
It was featured in the show that had Diana Muldar as a blind woman wearing a sensor net. Spock mind melded with an energy (?) being to give it the chance to feel and see. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/65 "2003-02-07T23:48:25Z")
_Is There In Truth No Beauty?_ I’ll have to double check the ep name… ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2003, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/66 "2003-02-07T23:56:51Z")
Courtesy of Mrs. Plant: Is There No Truth in Beauty? Spock wore it on a chain in honor of Miranda Jones. He wore it pinned to his dress uniforn in another episode perhaps Journey to Babel. Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination combining to create truth and beauty. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/67 "2003-02-08T00:05:36Z")
Hah! [My name](http://www.ericweisstein.com/fun/startrek/IsThereInTruthNoBeauty.html) was the right one! I’m the geek! Yeah, baby! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/68 "2003-02-08T00:19:08Z")
[Sure was hard to find a pic.](http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2157409496&category=155) (This page won’t last long.) ---
**Author:** ![Sycorax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a4c791/32.png) [@Sycorax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sycorax)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/69 "2003-02-08T00:26:33Z")
Oh yes - I DO remember that one, and the title too - I guess I can still claim to be a trekkie. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![raisinbread](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8491ac/32.png) [@raisinbread](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raisinbread)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/70 "2003-02-08T00:42:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*Isn’t it queer that there has never been an openly gay character on any Trek? Where have they all gone by the 23rd 24th centuries? > \*\* Well perhaps in those centuries it isn’t that important for gay people to have outrageous parades and wear pink triangles or have a “We’re here, we’re queer, deal with it” attitude because nobody bats an eye at that particular lifestlye after first contact with alien cultures. Anyway this episode was bad. Seriously bad. Heavy handed poopstink this side of that Wesley Crusher episode about the addictive game!!! This kind of moralism was cute in the sixties because most people weren’t that open minded but nowadays they’re playing to the people who already agree rather than challenging them with new ideas or outlooks. ---
**Author:** ![raisinbread](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8491ac/32.png) [@raisinbread](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raisinbread)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/71 "2003-02-08T00:47:40Z")
Oh yeah, I still watch Enterprise because it’s a reason to hang out with my friends. I would stop watching the show if I didn’t have company especially after a recent episode where some colony of nameless foreheads was being harassed by the GENTLEST KLINGONS EVER who ran away after being shown a bonfire. A BONFIRE??? Kruge from Search for Spock is spinning in his mother’s womb (because he wasn’t born yet). Had the Klingons in that episode been true Klingons there would have been plenty of heads rolling, blood spattering the sand and maybe Hoshi being caught naked in the shower with T’Pol ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/72 "2003-02-08T00:51:15Z")
Ha! Sure, after Mrs. Plant explains it to us, we’re all Trekkers. And she has TWO of them. From conventions, presume…I hope. Excuse me, I have to go now. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/73 "2003-02-08T00:51:34Z")
Those were Kling_offs_, not Kling_ons_! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/74 "2003-02-08T00:59:19Z")
Tars, did you give Mrs. Plant any jewelry? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/75 "2003-02-08T05:26:24Z")
Uh, no…::hides Mr. T’s gold chains:: ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/76 "2003-02-08T19:12:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > Has anyone else given up on **Enterprise** yet? I barely lasted the first season. When I started watching _Firefly_ (which I considered to be more faithful to the human condition) I simply lost interest in _Enterprise_. Funny, the same thing happened with _Voyager_. I could barely stand watching it, but once I started watching _Babylon 5_, _Voyager_ couldn’t hold my attention. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/77 "2003-02-09T05:26:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kingpengvin \* > \*\*Fair enough, that could be the way as well as the points others have made. But I hate the fact that now we have to unnecessarily do the mental gymnastics to explain away past references and this episode. \*\* Well, mindmeld Doctor guy did say “We’re less tolerant now than 1000 years ago.” But, every Star Trek has elements that contradicted other ones. The Klingons change from bad guys with tans, goatees, and chainmail in TOS to honorable allies with ridges on their heads in TNG. The Trill in DS9 are nothing like the Trill in TNG. The Borg were totally reconceived in Voyager, etc. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/78 "2003-02-09T05:32:24Z")
I wish they’d at least make an attempt to write Mayweather into the show in a way that isn’t so frequently contrived. (“Oops, got the script done but just realized that Travis isn’t in it. Let’s throw in a scene that has little or no point so the guy can have a little screen time and a few lines.” :rolleyes: ) I’ve got a student named Harry Kim (really), but I’m thinking of changing his name on my roll sheet to Travis Mayweather–you know why? 'Cuz he doesn’t show up to class very often! ---
**Author:** ![Badge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Badge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Badge)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/79 "2003-02-09T15:49:50Z")
Well, I’m pretty much ready to give up on _Enterprise_. Lack of continuity just drives me crazy! I’m willing (barely) to accept the idea that the mind meld will become common in the next century or so, and maybe the ancient traditions they talk about in later years are things that were surpressed then later reestablished. But in the episode with the emotional Vulcans, the one who melds with T’Pol tells her about it as something she would never have heard of. “It’s called a mind meld”, or something to that effect. Yet now all Vulcans know about it, even if they do abhor the practice. I’ll check out the Tholians, but that’s probably it for me. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2003, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947/80 "2003-02-09T15:59:54Z")
Klingons-Micahael Ansera and his guys in Day of the Dove had copper skin. The guys in Trouble with Tribbles were caucasian. This was a screw up and it was decided that Klingons had races. The ridges is just having more money for makeup. Roddenberry diid it in Star Trek the Motion Picture. The enemy vs. allies aspect-I believe they were both over the run of DS9, but that is politics (Greek, poly=many and OE, ticks=blood sucking) and story telling. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stigma-spoilers/152947.md?page=5)