# Enterprise Stratagem spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 4, 2004, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423 "2004-02-04T02:31:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/101 "2004-02-09T07:07:28Z")
Well, a multitude of answers I guess. In general, I’ve been studying for the bar, coming up in two weeks now. As far as Enterprise goes, well, it’s on here on Wednesdays. That’s opposite Smallville which I also watch. But most of the time I’m not around on Wednesday anyway because of bridge. Yes, that sporting of sport, bridge. So between the three of them, I almost never get a chance to watch Enterprise anymore. Alas. ---
**Author:** ![tarragon918](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d26b3c/32.png) [@tarragon918](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tarragon918)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/102 "2004-02-09T11:51:24Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I wonder just how far they can/will go with the Trip/T’Pol deal. If Spock was supposed to be the first successful joining of human and Vulcan (was he really, or is that just something we figured out along the way?), then T and T won’t be able to reproduce, or it will all go tragically wrong. Why am I thinking this far ahead? Can’t help it; must have been the Pandapromo. Hope I’ve done that quote right! At any rate **Viva** , Spock’s conception was only told in the ST book “Spock’s World,” which is probably -not- considered canon by official ST but many fans do consider it canon. And according to the book, Spock was the result of much trial and error, eventually conceived via something akin to invitro fertilization. Since the book was written, though, we’ve seen other cross-species children, and we all know only too well how much Bermaga love to mess with canon, so in my honest opinion, it’s probably anything goes with Trip and T’Pol! That **Pandamonium Preview** has set me off too–I’m still rooting for T’Pol and Archer. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/103 "2004-02-09T15:05:21Z")
A pretty good episode overall- I enjoyed it. The relentless teaser promo’s are soooooooo panderific though- I guess B&B are truly getting worried that their 4 year streak of bad decisions is about to be involutarily ended. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/104 "2004-02-09T15:16:36Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > I thought Panda was **elf6c**. Where’s our Trek Doper FAQ? I lost my bookmark with my upgrade. I was the one who started the complaints about the relentless pandering, and then someone shortened “more pandering” to “more panda” and a joke was born! Speaking of which- that promo was beyond panda. It was almost late night Cinemax. Dear Enterprise Letters, I never thought I would be writing to you, but the most amazing thing happened last night at my Vulcan Accupressure session. . . 😉 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/105 "2004-02-09T15:30:38Z")
> [@elf6c](#): > > that promo was beyond panda. Indeed. Historically the promo panda has played a small part in the episode. BTW, have you seen Firefly’s _Trash_? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/106 "2004-02-09T15:31:02Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Oh, and I believe **Wearia** also had a hand in coining the immortal words “phaser-cutting phasers.” My mistake. I’m so used to \*\*cplant \*\* being the unintelligible one that I misremembered him being responsible for it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/107 "2004-02-09T16:15:37Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > \*\*cplant \*\* being the unintelligible Garfidle morkity bork! Markfiss! ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/108 "2004-02-09T18:48:03Z")
I’m going to try to set up an Enterprise thread FAQ website inbetween working today, so anyone who has things they want entered please speak up while i go searching for threads from the past. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/109 "2004-02-09T19:03:30Z")
[Panda!](http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/science/02/09/panda.farewell.ap/index.html) (Perfectly safe, FYI) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/110 "2004-02-09T19:45:58Z")
Goddammit, I wrote a long message about the episode and the hamsters ate it. Crap. Short version: I give the ep a C-minus. Not a bad idea, but totally mishandled. Lots of stupid plot holes and distracting storytelling inconsistencies sink it. Disappointingly mediocre, I thought. Par for the course for this show. Blehrgh. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/111 "2004-02-09T21:08:45Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Blehrgh. Dammit, _I’m_ the unintelligible one, you snickersnozle! Twangedoodle. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/112 "2004-02-09T23:02:38Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Goddammit … Not a bad idea, but totally mishandled … Blehrgh. I hope you consider reentering your comments. I always look forward to something insightful to clear away the Regulan Bloodsloths upon which Bergama have infected the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/113 "2004-02-10T00:12:48Z")
[http://www.geocities.com/fozzie331//enterprise.html](http://www.geocities.com/fozzie331//enterprise.html) here is just a hack and paste job, with many dead links since the search hasn’t archived completely. ( i copied all the ones that showed up) I’ve been busier than i thought today, so it is going slower than it should. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/114 "2004-02-10T00:46:31Z")
**Tars** , man! THAT is fantastic! I would like to post it over on UnaBoard in my Trek/ENT thread. It’s a slower board, so it shouldn’t jam your account. Permish? ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/115 "2004-02-10T01:23:32Z")
Go ahead, i just figured out why some of the older threads weren’t showing up when i searched the Cafe Society, they are from before there was a Cafe Society, so i can add them when i have time. There are still some that don’t show up on search, but i can manually look for them later. Then maybe i can make the list look like something more then a big mess. ---
**Author:** ![Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ebca7d/32.png) [@Linus\_Van\_Pelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Linus_Van_Pelt)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/116 "2004-02-10T01:28:17Z")
> [@vibrotronica](#): > > Enterprise continues its wildly uneven run with a wildly uneven episode. The script seemed pretty tight (except for the whole mind meld thing), but man, Quantum’s acting was sub-Shatner in this one. Remember what Tom Baker said–it’s all about spewing nonsense in a convincing manner. Phlox is really the standout of the cast. Why are the doctor characters always my favorites? > > Grade: B From Roger Ebert’s review of **Nemesis** : > [@](#): > > Patrick Stewart, as Capt. Picard, is a wonderful actor. I know because I have seen him elsewhere. It is always said of Stewart that his strength as an actor is his ability to deliver bad dialogue with utter conviction. I say it is time to stop encouraging him. Here’s an idea: Instead of giving him bad dialogue, why not give him good dialogue, and see what he can do with that? Can I hear an “Amen!”, brothers and sisters? **NoClueBoy** , [here’s the Trek Doper FAQ.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=216760) **Tars** , that may be useful for the page you’re putting together. **Viva** , here’s an interesting usage note regarding [split infinitives](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=split%20infinitive) from [Dictionary.com](http://Dictionary.com). Do you really need to be officially offended when you run into one? And here’s my nomination for the laugh-out-loud-at-the-stupidity-of-the-writers plot point of the week: **Phlox:** _I don’t know enough about their physiology to create a “truth serum”, but I can selectively erase some of their memories._ What?! Are you _really_ trying to say with a straight face that Phlox can’t whip up a “truth serum” (i.e., some sort of concoction that gets someone loopy enough to babble uncontrollably) but he can _pick through their memories and erase the ones he wants_? Gaaaah!!! (pant, pant) OK, I think I’ve recovered now. I agree with **Cervaise** - good idea, poorly executed. Although I don’t know if I would give it a C-. Probably more of a C+/B- (is that an acceptable sentence fragment, **viva**?). ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/117 "2004-02-10T01:50:37Z")
Yes, fragments such as that one are acceptable in a number of situations. I was wondering where **Cervaise** had gotten off to…I’d assumed he was at an advance screening of **The Passion of the Christ** and then kept the free barf bag as a souvenir. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/118 "2004-02-10T01:55:12Z")
I heard at the premier for Passion they had real dudes being crucified who would bleed on you for $5 and take pictures with you for $10. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/119 "2004-02-10T02:02:49Z")
I nearly tossed my cookies just watching the frikkin’ Internet trailer–hence the barf bag comment. I’d be wasting the price of admission if I went, because I’d be spending most of it near a sink or a commode. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2004, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423/120 "2004-02-10T02:45:50Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > I was wondering where **Cervaise** had gotten off to… I’ve been rehearsing a play, which means I’m busy almost every night. TiVo has gotten a workout, let me tell you. 🙂 Anyway, we opened this past Friday, so my Wednesdays are again free for the time being. > [@Corner Case](#): > > I hope you consider reentering your comments. Hey, thanks. I’ll see if I get some free time tomorrow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-stratagem-spoilers/227423.md?page=7)