# Enterprise: The Andorian Incident (warning, slight spoiler) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 1, 2001, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873 "2001-11-01T06:29:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/41 "2001-11-06T00:34:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Over the weekend I saw an episode of ST:TNG where Data states: “Vulcans are incapable of lying.” I don’t know the episode name but it was the one where Chief O’brien gets married. So is this a continuity error (the horror!) or is the fact that Vulcans can lie a well kept Vulcan secret? Huh. Of course, we know from _Star Trek: First Contact_ that _Data_ can lie, so maybe Data was lying when he said that Vulcans can’t lie. > [@](#): > > Was Savaak ever this sexy? I thought Saavik was pretty hot, actually. Regrettably, she never required disinfection or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/42 "2001-11-06T00:58:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JustPlainBryan \* > \*\*Should female Vulcans really be that sexy? \*\* Yes, I suppose they can be. Look at the earliest example we have of Vulcan femininity, T’pring. She was kinda smokin’, in her own way. I can hear the hairsplitting starting, so let me prempt it. Yes, T’Pau was the first Vulcan female seen, but T’Pring was there soon after. And hey, T’Pau looked pretty good for a woman in her third century. She was over 200, wasn’t she? I doubt canon speaks on her exact age. ---
**Author:** ![Daniel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Daniel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daniel)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/43 "2001-11-06T01:08:42Z")
I think blowing up the stone face was the right idea. If the team missed even one Andorian by shooting through the eyes (maybe didn’t even see them), the Andorian would run off and the hostages would be toast. But by blowing up the face, they get to shoot at some very confused Andorians, and have a way to chase after them if any get away. ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/44 "2001-11-06T01:44:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Saltire \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by JustPlainBryan \* > > \*\*Should female Vulcans really be that sexy? \*\* > > Yes, I suppose they can be. Look at the earliest example we have of Vulcan femininity, T’pring. She was kinda smokin’, in her own way.\*\* That is true. IIRC wasn’t T’Pring wearing an “I dream of Jeannie” type costume? Imagine that sort of garb on T’Pol. Zowee! I seem to remember hearing that T’Pol from Enterprise was supposed to be T’Pau from TOS. Anyone else hear this rumor? ---
**Author:** ![wolfstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d6d6ee/32.png) [@wolfstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfstu)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/45 "2001-11-06T03:34:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JustPlainBryan \* > I seem to remember hearing that T’Pol from Enterprise was supposed to be T’Pau from TOS. Anyone else hear this rumor? \*\* Yeah, I saw an interview transcript. Berman said they canned it. I suppose it gives them a little more freedom. T’Pau as a series regular could never be in any real risk, since she has to be alive for Spock’s wedding, and any established or implied backstory would have to be respected. ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/46 "2001-11-06T04:23:55Z")
We also saw three instances of Vulcan lies in _Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country_. And not only do they lie, they lie about lying. Vulcans should be interested in exploration? Vulcans males should be as resiliant as Spock? Vulcan females should be unattractive? It’s that kind of racist generalization that I hope survives into the 22nd century. I was hoping to find out more about the Vulcans with this series. For me, that means when I see something I don’t expect, I’m not going to complain about it just because I would have done it differently. I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Spock, a Vulcan in the military, to be harder to topple than a Vulcan monk. Also, why would someone assume that being a hybrid would dilute Spock’s Vulcan strength? Maybe Spock is heterotic. Judging from the online plot synopsis of next episode, I’d say we may see just what T’Pol is up to. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/47 "2001-11-06T15:31:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Maybe Spock is heterotic. Actually, from some of the fan fiction, he seems to come out homo-erotic! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/48 "2001-11-06T15:42:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JustPlainBryan \* > \*\*I wonder if Hoshi will ever have a sexy episode. > > Mmmmm…Hoshi… \*\* Maybe you need a new TV? Hoshi has a sexy episode every time she shows up on screen! ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/49 "2001-11-06T18:32:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethilrist \* > \*\*Remember how quickly Spock began to revert to cave-Vulcan in TOS, when, in That Which Surives, he gets sent back in time to hang out with Mariette Hartley. > > Just trying to do my part to establish myself as alpha geek. \*\* Of course you mean **All Our Yesterdays**. Alpha geek my ass! 😃 –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/50 "2001-11-06T18:52:24Z")
oh, wow, a geek battle! oh, and according to the trek-rumor sites, Jeffery Combs will be back as the Andorian guy in a few weeks! ---
**Author:** ![JustPlainBryan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/57b2e6/32.png) [@JustPlainBryan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustPlainBryan)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/51 "2001-11-06T19:14:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethilrist \* > Maybe you need a new TV? Hoshi has a sexy episode every time she shows up on screen! \*\* I’m thinking more along the lines of an episode with Hoshi in the decontamination chamber, but ya, even with her clothes on, Hoshi’s pretty hot! Maybe it was the “Fight or Flight” episode that I got to thinking that way. Something about her vulnerability that I found irresistable. [sub]ok, who’s the Alpha geek now?[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/52 "2001-11-06T20:59:43Z")
Yeah! i want to rub some of that blue goo on Hoshi! And don’t despair, all, Ed teaches us that the geek will inherit the Earth! ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/53 "2001-11-06T21:37:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JustPlainBryan \* > **Should female Vulcans really be that sexy? Was Savaak ever this sexy?** WHICH Saavik? Kirstie Alley or the other one? Did anyone else notice that the Andorian episode was directed by Roxanne (B’Elanna Torres) Dawson? ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/54 "2001-11-06T21:56:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JustPlainBryan \* > **Was Savaak ever this sexy?** IMO, no. But Kim Cattrall in **ST: VI**? Hoochie-mama! –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/55 "2001-11-06T22:52:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by bafaa \* > \*\*I’m not saying T’pol lied or implying that she is perfect. I have no problem with her making mistakes and it’s entirely possible she didn’t know about the sensor array down on the planet. The Vulcan monks were the ones doing the lying. I think we can agree that they were lying and not exagerrating. They flat out stated that there was no sensor array and there was. So the question remains is Vulcans lying a continuity error or just a well kept secret? > I suspect continuity error but I’m hoping someone can point out a source that says “Yes they can lie but don’t tell anybody. It’s a secret.” \*\* It looks like tomorrow’s episode–sorry, ain’t got no cite–will involve not just a comet but also the Vulcans again, and T’Pol may have some ‘splainin’ to do. At least, that’s what I got from the notes in the television guides. We’ll see. Geeking on, Viva ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2001, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/56 "2001-11-06T22:58:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tars Tarkas \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > Maybe Spock is heterotic. > > Actually, from some of the fan fiction, he seems to come out homo-erotic! 😉 \*\* Ah yes, the slash subculture. I’m sure there must be some A/T slash going on already. ---
**Author:** ![TheeGrumpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@TheeGrumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheeGrumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/57 "2001-11-07T00:09:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jab1 \* > \*\*Did anyone else notice that the Andorian episode was directed by Roxanne (B’Elanna Torres) Dawson? \*\* > [@](#): > > orginally posted by yours truly: > **Someone thought it would be fun to use key lights thru the windows. Unfortunately, B’Elanna pointed her camera at the walls, where everyone was in shadow. Bugged me in a few scenes.** I see all. ---
**Author:** ![TheeGrumpy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/779978/32.png) [@TheeGrumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheeGrumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/58 "2001-11-07T00:10:53Z")
“Originally.” ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/59 "2001-11-07T01:26:40Z")
[http://www.epguides.com](http://www.epguides.com) is a great site to keep up with your favorite TV series. [Here](http://www.epguides.com/Enterprise/) is their _Enterprise_ page. Apparently, the Andorians come back in February (“Shadows of P’Jem”). ---
**Author:** ![Bedrosian\_Bixby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecae2f/32.png) [@Bedrosian\_Bixby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bedrosian_Bixby)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2001, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873/60 "2001-11-07T01:48:32Z")
My favorite episode so far!! My only gripe: Wouldn’t the Andorians see the flashlights through the eye holes? I mean, you can’t miss when three dark holes suddenly appear back-lit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-andorian-incident-warning-slight-spoiler/90873.md?page=4)