# Enterprise - The Council - spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2004, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843 "2004-05-12T19:56:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/41 "2004-05-13T04:18:58Z")
> [@Monstre](#): > > Well considering that it was vaporized into tiny little leftover molecules by the HappyZapperGrappler[sup]TM[/sup]… um… no. Do not taunt HappyZapperGrappler[sup]TM[/sup]! ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/42 "2004-05-13T04:36:25Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Yep. Death Star! They go in thru an exhaust vent, for Christ’s sake! It was a small thermal exhaust port, just below the main port. And although it was shielded by a hologram, it thankfully was not ray shielded. Otherwise, they would’ve had to use proton torpedoes. And with a target that small, I doubt the computer could hit it. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/43 "2004-05-13T04:37:56Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > SUPER FUN BALL! Didja notice the great big rotating rings going around the outside of the Xindi Weapon? It looked like the Jodie-Foster-transporting machine in _Contact_. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/44 "2004-05-13T04:41:43Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Neat battle. Wonder why they took Hoshi…? Everybody knows that reptillian bug-eyed monsters like to capture attractive women to take back to their homeworlds. It’s a well-established tradition, dating back to _Flash Gordon_. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/45 "2004-05-13T04:42:51Z")
I mean, if they’d captured Mayweather instead, the crew would have no incentive to go after them. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/46 "2004-05-13T04:50:07Z")
I haven’t read this thread yet, so I’m gonna post all my blabber and if it’s repeats, I don’t really keeer… This was a pretty good 'un. And I’m calling those gals (?) in the teaser “The Stepford Sphere Builders.” I’m quite sure Trip has been doing Pilates where we can’t see him, because the injury below the arm corresponds to what would happen if you wake up those muscles with certain positions. We got a good insight into the different Xindi via Degra. So the Reptilians are using [Atomic Tan](http://www.atomictan.com) now? I happen to know the owner of a couple of them. Was it just me, or did Reed look at first as if he wanted to have that MACO guy go out and get creamed? Archer tells Trip, “Keep my chair warm.” Oh, I would have kept it warm for him all right…with electric shock, sharp tacks, and superheated superglue. [evil smiley] Have any of YOU ever been called to the principal’s office? I never was. [angelic smiley with big halo] Reptilian says to Archer, “You reek of desperation.” I say, “No, you just plain reek after many days of not bathing properly.” Hoshi tells Archer, “You don’t want to know”…which is the same thing she said to him a few years back in front of the Klingons. I want to know. I WANT to know!! Good scenes between Trip and Degra. Mayweather can swear?? Trip notes that Degra “went out on a limb.” How could Degra understand this idiom? I was not prepared for Degra’s death or for the savagery of the Rep’s threat against his family. Dang! I should not have let my guard down. Ah, the needs of the many…Well, we needed to know where it came from. “You are either with us or you’re against us”—what a very Bushy thing to say. How could the Bridge and the Galley have been cleaned up so quickly? Just how much time elapsed between E squared and this business? Next week: Hoshi has been taken by the forces of evil!! Or maybe by **Aesiron**. I believe he will be in his new digs very soon. ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/47 "2004-05-13T04:58:28Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Didja notice the great big rotating rings going around the outside of the Xindi Weapon? > > It looked like the Jodie-Foster-transporting machine in _Contact_. Yeah, I’ve been thinking that, too – since we saw them in the prototype one that Archer and Shran captured. Either that or they pulled it out of the middle of the _Event Horizon_. (I expect a blood-drenched Sam Neill to show up in next week’s ep…) Speaking of which – that “prototype” was pretty small, it fit into the Andorian’s ship. This one (the real one, I guess) looks much huger than Enterprise. So if they were testing MiniFunBall halfway through the season, how did they know it would work the same as BigFunBall? And if little one would destroy a planet (had a pretty big effect on the moon they tested on – and the explanation was “not finished yet”), why does the real one need to be so much bigger? So if they crashed XindiDeathStar into a GravoFunkySphere, which one would win? XDS has rotating bars, but GFS has the HappyGrappler. And where does Batman fit in? and why is my post degenerating into mindless babbling…? ---
**Author:** ![Monstre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@Monstre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstre)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/48 "2004-05-13T05:05:37Z")
> [@](#): > > _vivalostwages_ > Trip notes that Degra “went out on a limb.” How could Degra understand this idiom? Well, the Universal Translator must have handled this, translating the phrase into “dug a hole and stuck your ear in it”, which is roughly an equivalent Xindi idiom that we humans really wouldn’t understand. > [@](#): > > I was not prepared for Degra’s death or for the savagery of the Rep’s threat against his family. Dang! I should not have let my guard down. When lizard guy wanted to see Degra alone, I figured Degra was about to get it – but yeah, that scene was a good one – pretty intense. Now Archer is probably going to feel the need to avenge him and protect his family ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/49 "2004-05-13T05:21:40Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > It was a small thermal exhaust port, just below the main port. > > And although it was shielded by a hologram, it thankfully was not ray shielded. Otherwise, they would’ve had to use proton torpedoes. And with a target that small, I doubt the computer could hit it. We used to bomb womp rats in my T-33. Not much different. I got supended a few times. Wasn’t even supposed to show up at graduation because of the last one. Still, I signed in, they read my name, and I walked across stage to get my photo and an empty folder. They mailed my diploma two weeks later. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/50 "2004-05-13T05:40:28Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > We used to bomb womp rats in my T-33. Not much different. > > I got supended a few times. Wasn’t even supposed to show up at graduation because of the last one. Still, I signed in, they read my name, and I walked across stage to get my photo and an empty folder. They mailed my diploma two weeks later. I’ll grab you by your suspenders and suspend you right now. 😉 I was one of those irritating kids who gets to be an office aide, a teacher’s aide and such. Sickening. ---
**Author:** ![spiralscratch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@spiralscratch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spiralscratch)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/51 "2004-05-13T07:59:38Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Wonder why they took Hoshi…? My guess is they plan to use her to figure the third code they need to activate the weapon. > [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Degra gets visit from Time Tripper Chick. She reminds me of Alice Krieg. In a way. If Alice Krige as Borg Queen and Odo’s Founder girlfriend had a child, she would look like the Guardian chick. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/52 "2004-05-13T12:34:06Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Trip notes that Degra “went out on a limb.” How could Degra understand this idiom? Perhaps the sloth-Xindi explained it to him. The Reptile/Insectoids, herefter known as the “Cold Blooded Faction” needs a password from the other speices. Do you suppose that is why they kidnapped Hoshi? She was translating for the various species and Archer. Although they seem to have little trouble understanding other Xindi, I can think of no other than the “Bug Eyed Monster” solution, which is pretty bad even for B&B. Besides, isn’t a rule of “BEM” kidnapping that the kidnapee has to be somewhat disheveled? ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/53 "2004-05-13T12:37:40Z")
TV Guide’s summary for next week’s episode tells why they took Hoshi. Indeed, it is to break the codes on the superweapon. ---
**Author:** ![the\_Lady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@the\_Lady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_Lady)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/54 "2004-05-13T13:07:44Z")
I very nearly got suspended in my second week of grade seven. Oddly enough - for passing notes. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/55 "2004-05-13T15:22:27Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I can think of no other than the “Bug Eyed Monster” solution, which is pretty bad even for B&B. > Besides, isn’t a rule of “BEM” kidnapping that the kidnapee has to be somewhat disheveled? And blonde. Which Hoshi definitely does **not** qualify as. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/56 "2004-05-13T15:42:43Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > Trip notes that Degra “went out on a limb.” How could Degra understand this idiom? darn, **carnivousplant** took my joke. He does “hang out” with the Arborials a lot. > [@vivalostwages](#): > > I was not prepared for Degra’s death or for the savagery of the Rep’s threat against his family. Dang! I should not have let my guard down. both GonzoGal and I called it as soon as the Reptile’s “hair” shadow fell on Degra’s face. Neat direction, that. This whole episode was kinda interestingly directed. Not always good (DizzyCam around Reed and MacoMan’s first conversation.) but interesting. Anyone know if the redshirt Maco was the same guy that Reed had his little lovers’ spat/pissing match with earlier in the season? I like the makeup on the guardian chick. But she definately shops at the Borg Queen boutique. My guess on taking Hoshi is confirmed by **CandidGamera** ’s spoiler I liked the Sleestak’s line about “manufactured data”. But really he’s got a point. In the future, can they trust any evidence at all? Heck even now, a good photoshop can fool most people. Even if the humans don’t have the holotechnology as Degra said, they could falsify the medical records that it was based on, no? The style for the teaser kicked butt. A desperate attempt to make things seem important, but it worked. 🙂 I’m a sucker for an operatic choral score. Want to take bets on who won’t return? Hoshi, Malcom, or Travis seem the safe bets. I wouldn’t put money on T’pol, Tripp, or Phlox. Archer’s an outside chance. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/57 "2004-05-13T15:48:22Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > And blonde. Which Hoshi definitely does **not** qualify as. Haven’t you ever seen a Godzilla movie? Get a grip. 🙂 > [@gonzoron](#): > > Reptile’s “hair” shadow fell on Degra’s face. Neat direction, that. Wasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/58 "2004-05-13T15:52:26Z")
> [@gonzoron](#): > > I liked the Sleestak’s line about “manufactured data”. But really he’s got a point. In the future, can they trust any evidence at all? Heck even now, a good photoshop can fool most people. Even if the humans don’t have the holotechnology as Degra said, they could falsify the medical records that it was based on, no? I think it’s more convincing than you might imagine… after all, how would these hyoomans know what a Guardian looked like? ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/59 "2004-05-13T17:53:52Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > TV Guide’s summary for next week’s episode tells why they took Hoshi. > > Indeed, it is to break the codes on the superweapon. See, that makes me angry. I had a completely different take on it and I think it may have been cooler.They stole Hoshi to keep her from breaking the secrets of the brain from the sphere. Time traveling chick told them to.Now I’m just annoyed at such a plebian reason for kidnapping Hoshi. Plus there is almost guaranteed bad science coming up if they use her as TV Guide indicates. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2004, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843/60 "2004-05-13T17:55:37Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > how would these hyoomans know what a Guardian looked like? [Lizard]It is all some cold dry human plot. Bring the human female here, and some of those magazienes…[/Lizard] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-council-spoilers/244843.md?page=4)