# Enterprise: The Crossing (spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 31, 2003, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364 "2003-03-31T03:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/121 "2003-04-06T07:07:33Z")
I never did answer your question. :smack: Asgard’s on another dimensional plane and it’s connected to Midgard (Earth) by a rainbow bridge, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/122 "2003-04-06T07:07:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Aesiron \* > \*\*You’re seriously not familiar with Norse mythology? Asgard is the home of the Teutonic gods (Odin, Freya, Loki, Thor, Balder, etc), who’re collectively known as the Aesir. > > Or to draw a corollary, the Aesir are to the Olympians as Asgard is to Mount Olympus. \*\* * * * Actually, this is the most I’ve ever learned about it. I have been bereft all this time! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/123 "2003-04-06T07:10:04Z")
I’m surprised. As an English teacher, I would have expected you to have at least a basic knowledge of it. Do you not teach Olde and Middle English literature? _Beowulf_ and such? ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/124 "2003-04-06T07:11:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*Now that I’ve searched for it again, maybe it _was_ **enderw24** … > > My eyes get tired at night and I’m also on the phone and getting The Phone and The Dope mixed up in my mind. > > No, really, you’re much prettier than she was… > > [oh crap!] I wonder what I just said on the phone? [/oc!] \*\* Aha! For those keeping track at home the score now sits at: \*\* Wearia 2 | NoClue Boy 0\*\* The first point was awarded when Carny decided that my post was the 100th in the Cease Fire Thread, and not NCB’s. Ooo I know Norse mythos! And its all thanks to Stargate SG-1. Its fun to watch and educational. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/125 "2003-04-06T07:12:20Z")
By the way, what I told you about Norse mythology’s about the extent of _my_ knowledge. 🙂 I’m much more interested and knowledgeable about Greco-Roman mythology. I just love the way Aesir looks. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/126 "2003-04-06T07:16:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Wearia \* > **…The first point was awarded when Carny decided that my post was the 100th in the Cease Fire Thread, and not NCB’s…** I’ve arbitrarily decided to rename **Carny** as **CPlant**. That way I won’t think of him as that chick from the Wilson Phelps group or whatever they’re called. Y’know who I mean… the fat one who had the gastrointestinal surgery. Now I’ll think of him as a hip hop wannabe. ;j > [@](#): > > **Ooo I know Norse mythos! And its all thanks to Stargate SG-1. Its fun to watch and educational.** 😕 Wait, is this like Xena and Hercules’ Norse episodes? Or their Chinese and Japanese ones? ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/127 "2003-04-06T07:52:14Z")
Never watched Xena or Hercules. Can’t help ya. Basically Stargate had the Asgard as a race of really advanced aliens. Thor’s Chariot was a battlecrusier that belonged to, you guessed it, Thor. He was basically a really nice guy with a soft spot for primitive races. He first appeared in one episode where SG-1 travels to a planet that lives the Norse culture and is protected by “Thor’s Hammer” (a really advanced weapon that throws bad people into an underground prison). They had to shut it off to save Teal’c (their Ga’ould companion that the hammer mistook for a bad guy) and so the planet was defenceless against it enemies. Later on SG-1 had to return to the planet because it was being invaded. So Daniel and Sam (two of the SG-1 teamembers) had to run through a series of puzzles accompanied by a holographic Thor. The puzzles were designed to show Thor when the planet was ready for him to reveal himself. With SG-1’s help they got through and were contacted by the real Thor (a two foot tall grey alien with big eyes) who was suprised to see another species on the planet. They said they were in trouble so Thor’s chariot arrived and got rid of the baddies with some cool light gun. Thor showed up a few more times to help out the humans with troubles. More recently the humans had to help the Asgard out (the enemy attacked only advanced ships and the humans had just built their own ship, which was a tin can by Asgard standards) Basically, throughout the encounters you find out little tidbits of Norse mythology. It also kind of explains how Norse Mythos came about on Earth. The Asgard show up to study humans and are seen as Gods that live in the sky by the humans. However I have yet to see an episode where other Norse gods (go Odin!) are mentioned. Note to self: Get life. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/128 "2003-04-06T14:19:41Z")
I know so much about Norse mysticism and mythological world view, it scares the other gods to death. That’s a pun, you see. All the Norse Gods are aware that their ultimate fate is defeat and death. I have only one eye, but ultimate wisdom, who am I? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/129 "2003-04-06T14:37:39Z")
NCB: Odin, or Wotan according to Wagner, who traded an eye to the Earth Mother Erda for wisdom. Loge rules, BTW and Rhinemaidens are cute. Siegfreid can beat anybody’s ass. Thus endeth the mythology lesson. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/130 "2003-04-06T14:40:24Z")
**wearia** , I’ve been helping to restore your self esteem. I think it’s wonderful that your parents let you on message boards, after that horrible mess up with the under aged fish. that really had to cause some family embarassment. As for the “Sir” question, have you noticed how I usually call him **Aes**? As though rhyming with Ace, you see… FYI, Norse mythology, Wagnerian philosophy, and occult mysticism had a profound effect on certain members of a National Socialist party that reshaped mid 20th century politics. (You know who…) Scary, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/131 "2003-04-06T14:49:56Z")
Hitler also liked children and dogs. His taste in opera is unfortunate, but no more condemns Wagner than German Shepherds. There, a serious comment from Carni. I hope you are happy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/132 "2003-04-06T14:57:17Z")
Look for _The Occult History of the Third Reich_, a combo book/tv show aired on PBS in the early 90s. [Look](http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/mythology.html) [at these](http://todd.reimer.com/norse/myth.html) [3 sites.](http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0197623.html) Enjoy! BTW, I wasn’t condemning Wagner. My comment was that these linked things had a profound effect on Hitler and on some German elitists. The fact that they used it to their own twisted goals is indeed unfortunate and completely their fault. Like teaching your son how to build a campfire… you don’t expect him to burn down buildings with people in them. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/133 "2003-04-06T15:00:57Z")
Re Wagnerian Philosophy: Tristan unde Isolde is said to be the perfect German love story; everyone who counts, dies. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/134 "2003-04-06T15:04:48Z")
Stop counting. I am [Loki](http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/myth.cgi/Loki.html) ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/135 "2003-04-06T15:07:02Z")
I pronounce it: Vahg-ner It’s fun to type it out Wag while in your head it vahgs. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/136 "2003-04-06T15:07:22Z")
Sure, NCB. You’re just suckin’ up 'cause I have this unused paintball gun. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/137 "2003-04-06T15:29:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NoClueBoy \* > \*\*I am [Loki](http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~cherryne/myth.cgi/Loki.html) \*\* Ha! Any Teutonic Kindergartener knows that Loge was the god of fire. The giants were Fafner and Fasolt, Herr Smartenguy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/138 "2003-04-06T15:30:34Z")
Gallows Load by Deoridhe Grimsdaughter Burnished gallows set with red Caress the fevered, empty mind Of man who hangs bloodied and blind To reach for wisdom, not for bread. I think to hang there in his stead And wonder if I dare to bind My destiny to be his kind And follow where he never lead. My orlog tied to be the stead, If I could dare to take the plunge Into the noisless emptiness That calls me with its baseless need, Of wisdoms touch and darings lunge To aid with endless lovingness. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/139 "2003-04-06T15:42:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*Ha! Any Teutonic Kindergartener knows that Loge was the god of fire. The giants were Fafner and Fasolt, Herr Smartenguy. > 🙂 \*\* Ah, but as Loki, I am blood brother to Odin, and I cause mischeif through out the realms of Men and Gods. (the “on fire” thingy is a rouse, you see…) I will have you all at Ragnarok Sorry about Balder, btw ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-the-crossing-spoilers/165364/140 "2003-04-06T15:52:05Z")
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