# Enterprise: Twilight spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2003, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471 "2003-11-05T02:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/1 "2003-11-05T02:54:17Z")
Fie, the infamous Voyager reset button, a plot device even I, a Janeway enthusiast, detests. Perfidious Berman! It fellates with great allacrity. Captain Tucker is cool, however. I truly hate the reset button. The only way the good guys can win is by overturning the chessboard. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/2 "2003-11-05T03:33:17Z")
So… Was it any different? Or was it the standard BFSTRB™? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/3 "2003-11-05T03:49:30Z")
A koot is a duck. FTW? Define BFSTRB. It is obvious from the blurb that there will be some form of time travel cra…situation, although it issn’t quite that. The arguement I heard most strongly with Voyager is that the efforts and character development of Our Heroes are all for naught because “everything chamges”. It is just a damn waste of time, particularly since it doesn’t futher the arc. Panda: Archer and T’Pol may or may not have done the deed. It ain’t “City On The Edge Of Forever”, pal. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/4 "2003-11-05T04:06:05Z")
Don’t mince words, Bones, what do you _really_ think? Upon reflection, screw it, the sign says spoilers. Earth is whacked by the Xindi weapon in the teaser. A pretty good indication that there will be a reset button, or as Mrs. Plant calls it, “A stupid dream thing”. They do a very annoying thing, as in bad Star Trek novels. The author throws in numerous references to canon. I’m not sure if this is to show how cool the author is, or to make us think we are cool because we know it. There is a human colony on Ceti-Alpha IV. There are flame gems from _The Trouble With Tribbles_. Trip goes Kirk on the gem trader guy. A cool moment. Another Trip moment “We have eight Xindi prisoners, but the brig was only designed to hold two.” Trip: “Throw them out the airlock”. Cool. When the Vulcan tries to get T’Pol to return, is that the DS9 theme playing in a minor key? There is a shot of a “rag tag fleet” of fleeing human ships to said Ceti-Aplha IV. Sci Fi channel has a Battlestar Ponderosa remake this month. That us just too damn…Mama would say “tacky”. Mrs. Plant pointed out quite correctly that Tucker makes a much better Captain than Archer. Says I: “Do you mean that if Trip§ and Kirk were in the same room with baseball bats, who would come out alive?” Says she: “No, they would be drinking beers and talking about girls.” OK, I’m going to start the “Whack Archer and Promote Trip§” effort. I want to rent the Goodyear blimp to circle Paramount studios. Send your nickels, dimes and strips of gold pressed latinum now. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/5 "2003-11-05T04:28:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > \*\*A koot is a duck. FTW? > > Define BFSTRB. > > It is obvious from the blurb that there will be some form of time travel cra…situation, although it issn’t quite that. > The arguement I heard most strongly with Voyager is that the efforts and character development of Our Heroes are all for naught because “everything chamges”. > It is just a damn waste of time, particularly since it doesn’t futher the arc. > Panda: Archer and T’Pol may or may not have done the deed. > It ain’t “City On The Edge Of Forever”, pal. \*\* Coot with a “c.” Is FTW a variation on WTF? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/6 "2003-11-05T04:35:16Z")
Why would Trip become Captain? He’s third in command. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/7 "2003-11-05T13:38:47Z")
Because tripp is Starfleet. T’Pol is commissioned for _Enterprise_ only, is my guess. She would thus be able to take over if Quantum implodes, but the perm new Capt would remain Starfleet for an Earth registry ship. 😕 BigFuckinStarTrekResetButton™ for the wecord (Chekov’s for the record) ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/8 "2003-11-05T19:49:23Z")
Hmmm…I’m hearing completely different (i.e., very positive) things on some other boards, so I’m gonna give it a chance. Will be back tonight. NDB: I just got some NOO GOO for YOO! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/9 "2003-11-05T20:08:44Z")
I’m of two minds on the Reset Button: 1. It’s cool 'cause it allows things to happen that otherwise wouldn’t. Like, in this episode, Earth getting bent over and taken from behind by the Xindi. I like that. This is the reason that the seventh season TNG episode, “Parallels”, is one of my favoritest episodes ever. You get to see what might’ve been. “No! We won’t go back! You don’t know what it’s like there!” 2) It sucks. Nothing changes and it was all a dream. At least let there be _some_ repercussions like there was in “Yesterday’s Enterprise” when Yar went back with the C and was captured and eventually birthed Sela. Instead, we get nothing other than a wink and a nudge. Bah. ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/10 "2003-11-05T21:14:53Z")
**Aesiron** , _The Man with Two Brains_, “Get that cat out of here!” I can see that people could like the episode because they see character development, but since it gets reset it isn’t _really_ part of the characters anymore. We just get to know they-have-it-in-them. I liked the _Quantum Leap_ episode when Archer was JFK’s secret service agent on the motorcade. Afterwards Al told Archer that he hadn’t saved JFK “but at least they didn’t lose Jacqueline this time.” This is a twist on the reset button where you bring things in-line with canon/current-events from a line where things were worse/different. We’ll see tonight, but I don’t see any discussion suggesting this course. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/11 "2003-11-05T22:01:51Z")
\*Psst! It was Alex Trebeck!\* Just fyi ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2003, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/12 "2003-11-05T23:33:08Z")
Quantum implosion? Sounds like a good episode. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/13 "2003-11-06T01:09:55Z")
Teaser: It was as though millions of voices cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. Act I: T’Pol’s ass is still fine. 12 years? Infected by an anomoly? A garbage scow? Quantum is acting like an Alzhiemer sufferer in a moment of clarity. Interspatial flux capacitor. Hmmm… What’s up with the asparagus shaped Xindi ship? Xindi lizards can be killed by stabbing them with a Hitler statue. I liked T’Pol’s tactic for disengaging from the firefight. 😃 Warp 1.7? Tripp and T’Pol on the outs. Didn’t see that coming. Does T’Pol have to explain this stuff every morning? Lots of questions. _Questions. Incept dates. Longevity predictions._ ---
**Author:** ![Teelo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@Teelo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teelo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/14 "2003-11-06T01:10:43Z")
That _was_ a good episode. Actually, my favorite Enterprise one yet! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/15 "2003-11-06T01:19:42Z")
Act II: A rag tag fleet… Good one, **'plant**. B’Illy B’Ob Vulcan guy is a nice continuity touch. I want a cloak/jacket/cape like his! Ah, here’s the answer to why T’Pol isn’t captain. She resigned. The reasons semed a bit iffy. Phlox likes dressing Chinese. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/16 "2003-11-06T01:39:36Z")
Act III: HOSHI!!! “Set a course for the sun.” Malcolm is from the mirror universe, apparantly. Smeagol deals in flame gems. Cool. Tripp is cool. 🆒 Ah shit! The parasites in the interspatial flux exist outside of time, so the treatment of this one guy will reset history. Bah! Let’s see how they do it, I guess… ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/17 "2003-11-06T01:53:51Z")
Act IV: They got shields! Phlox takes a phall. Implosion! Looked like an explosion, tho… And the reset. No real denoument, either. Huh. My impression: Not nearly the emotional impact of _Year Of Hell_ or _Parallels_. BECAUSE OF THOSE SHOWS!!! GAH!!! IF YOU’RE GONNA DO A RESET BUTTON EPISODE, DON’T MAKE IT WORK JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER RESET EPISODES DID! Change it up a bit. Even without those previous series’ eps, this one would still have fallen flat. Did not live up to the hype at all. Because of no imagination. No different take on the idea of cause and effect and cause loops. Not a moving story, either. Why? No time to dwell on the emotional impact of no Earth, no memories, being a hunted species? It coulda had class. It coulda been a contender. Next week, they use a transporter on a hoomahn again. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/18 "2003-11-06T01:55:59Z")
I thought this was, perhaps, the best Enterprise episode yet. The “There’s Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape em off Jim!” manuever by T’Pol was awesome, as was the fight in Quantum’s cabin. And the reset button in this case was actually a damned cool idea. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/19 "2003-11-06T02:03:49Z")
I dunno. I liked it. It had an emotional arc. People acted. Vulcans loved, but repressed. Big explosions. Space war. Ragtag fugitive fleet. I’ll give it an A-. ---
**Author:** ![Wearia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/13edae/32.png) [@Wearia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wearia)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2003, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/20 "2003-11-06T02:16:01Z")
Good Eppy. Still not past the copy other episodes schtick, and we didn’t get anything off this episode except some knowledge that T’Pol likes Archer (which I never saw coming 18 episodes ago.) Overal 22 out of a possible 31 stars. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471.md?page=2)