# Enterprise: Twilight spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 5, 2003, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471 "2003-11-05T02:54:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2003, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/61 "2003-11-07T18:26:50Z")
i have this recorded, but won’t get a chance to see it until this weekend, so i skipped all the posts above until then. and i now own a home!!! ---
**Author:** ![Corner\_Case](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/corner_case/32/234_2.png) [@Corner\_Case](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corner_Case)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2003, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/62 "2003-11-07T18:31:24Z")
**NoClueBoy** , stop flinging your stuff around. You could put a mote in my eye. **Tars Tarkas** , congratulations! ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2003, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/63 "2003-11-08T00:48:28Z")
You bought a home just so you could watch _Enterprise_? Wow, that’s dedication! (Although, to be honest, I kinda did the same thing in 1995, when I bought a house so I could get DirecTV so that I could watch _Mystery Science Theater 3000_.) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2003, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/64 "2003-11-08T01:33:46Z")
You bought a house so ou could watch _Mystery Science Theater 3000_? That’s, ah, that’s remarkable. What do you think we should do about it? ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/65 "2003-11-08T02:37:47Z")
Congrats to **Land Baron Tars**! (Somehow, that puts me in mind of Lord Garth of Izar.) ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/66 "2003-11-08T03:19:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carnivorousplant \* > **You bought a house so ou could watch _Mystery Science Theater 3000_? That’s, ah, that’s remarkable. > What do you think we should do about it?** I hasten to mention that: (A) I was looking to buy a house anyway, as one of those long-term investment thingies; (B) The purchase happened at the _one and only_ time that Comedy Central was going back and showing some 1st season episodes; and © That house has since been sold, and I now have an even _bigger_ house with DirecTV in it. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/67 "2003-11-08T22:16:05Z")
I got the tape just a few minutes ago, **viva**. And the Talosian. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/68 "2003-11-09T01:45:52Z")
Cool…You got “Twilight.” But…but…but…what about “The Shipment”? What has the USPS done with it?? I should just do priority every time and maybe that way every tape will get to you as it should. Sheesh! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/69 "2003-11-09T03:31:14Z")
No “Shipment” yet. (Punny) Very cool episode, by the way. I really enjoyed it except for just a few nitpicky things. The first being that after twelve years, Travis is the only senior officer not to die when these guys have been constantly on the run? That stretches the already strained credibility. The second thing I hated was that after more than a decade, Hoshi’s only a freakin’ _Lieutenant_?! She’s suffering from Kim syndrome or something. And the third is the Wink, Wink moment at the end that I **knew** would happen when Archer told T’Pol she’d make a good nurse. AUGH, AUGH, AUGH. I HATE WHEN THEY DO THAT! To balance the kvetching out: I liked the Yrridian. And the name of the other ship, the Intrepid. Those are two continuity touches I don’t think anyone else mentioned. Inidentally, I think that the ship in this week’s episode made the fourth one to bear the name. Hoshi was pretty. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/70 "2003-11-09T04:24:15Z")
> [@](#): > > Final Nielsen ratings for Star Trek: Enterprise’s “Twilight” show an increase of nearly half a million viewers over the week before. > > According to [Mediaweek.com](http://Mediaweek.com)’s Programming Insider, this week’s Enterprise episode earned a 2.6 total rating/4 share. This means that approximately 2.6% of American households with television sets were tuned to Enterprise, while “Twilight” was viewed by 4% of households watching television at the time. > > 4.07 million viewers watched the show, compared to 3.7 million for “The Shipment” last week and 3.46 million for “Exile”, the last new episode before that. The numbers for “Twilight” are on par with those for the season premiere, “The Xindi.” > > Total viewership for competitor Smallville on The WB also rose, to 6.72 million from 6.47 million viewers the week before. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/71 "2003-11-09T04:53:11Z")
Well…I will have to retape the rerun of the “Shipment” and Ship it again in January. Aaarrggh!! Keeping in mind that Nielsens are notoriously inaccurate… Our little Enterprise Project seems to be working. 🙂 That reminds me, I gotta check on Jake and see if it has indeed been renewed. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/72 "2003-11-09T05:07:04Z")
Here it is: [Jake 2.0 renewed for remainder of season.](http://www.trektoday.com/news/061103_02.shtml) 😃 Well, since UPN President Dawn Ostroff says they are keeping it based on its creative success and not based on its very low ratings…It seems clear that ratings are not the only factor in a show’s survival. Gonna email her to thank her for the decision and mention our other show too. I hope Jake will be around for a second season too. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/73 "2003-11-09T05:48:11Z")
Upon further reflection, I still didn’t get that old Reset Button feeling from this ep. That’s all. Saddle up (!) for next week! ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2003, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/74 "2003-11-09T06:44:02Z")
Swank. I’m really getting into that show and I would had to’ve gone Xindi on the UPN execs if they had cancelled it. ---
**Author:** ![emarkp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3be4f8/32.png) [@emarkp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emarkp)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/75 "2003-11-10T00:07:17Z")
I was talking to my brother about the episode this weekend and a though occurred: the first treatment of the chrono-beasties should have been the last–otherwise it isn’t internally consistent. Consider three chrono-beasties: A, B, and C. They go to treat C and it disappears from the present and the past. It alters the timeline so that there only ever was chrono-beastie A & B. So in that timeline they treat beastie B. But that means that there only was beastie A. Which of course they treat in the first (and only) treatment. Hence, no chrono-beasties once they begin–the first treatment is the last, etc. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/76 "2003-11-10T00:28:31Z")
The chronobeasties move about so they only whacked ones in a particular area over time. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/77 "2003-11-10T01:25:36Z")
It may mean nothing to you, but … [praise for Twilight](http://www.trektoday.com/news/091103_03.shtml) * * * Go check out these wacky German Trek movie trailers: [here](http://www.periode1.de/film/periode1/showroom/html/small.php?periode=1068422616) ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/78 "2003-11-10T01:44:58Z")
What dreck. It sucked. I got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals given to them by Dr. McCoy. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/79 "2003-11-10T03:29:53Z")
Anyone else find it oddly coincidental that all the episodes that are considered among each series’ (TOS’ “City on the Edge of Forever”, TNG’s “Yesterday’s Enterprise”, DS9’s “The Visitor”, VOY’s “Year of Hell”, and ENT’s “Twilight”) best are time travel pieces and/or involve a reset button? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471/80 "2003-11-10T03:35:24Z")
What about the STNG episode where they find Data’s head in San Francisco? I disremember the end. In COTEOF they remember what happened. That isn’t the Rest Button device. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/enterprise-twilight-spoilers/211471.md?page=5)