# Entertaining Two Hour Rape **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 30, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686 "2009-10-30T02:15:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/41 "2009-10-30T15:39:19Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Here in Ireland, this would be THE News topic of the year, not just a byline in some local paper. 4.5 million versus 300+million. Things like that make a big difference. Hell a bad house fire or a car crash (2+ dead) can make the national news on a slow day. When the guy down the country somewhere was whoring his handicapped daughter out for the price of a pint that made national news but only for a day or two. That’s the worst story in Ireland I’ve heard in the last 10 years or so (ignore the 500lb gorilla in the room called the Catholic Church that is 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/42 "2009-10-30T15:43:15Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > I see a variety of expressions on their faces. I don’t really see your point. I said "The pride in **some** of their faces. That cunt right in the front just left of center with a drink in his hand. Smiling and proud. There’s a face I wouldn’t get tired of kicking. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/43 "2009-10-30T15:45:50Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Here in Ireland, this would be THE News topic of the year, not just a byline in some local paper. Holy crap! Another paddy comes out of the woodwork! You’re right, though. A single murder, or even a particularly vicious assault or rape, is national news here. I know there’s only about 4.5 million of us here, but I grew up in the Boston Metro area, with a roughly comparable population, and violent crime there was so frequent that it eventually became background noise for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/44 "2009-10-30T15:49:33Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Nope - I’m down here in County Cork. I’m not Japanese either. I’ve just always liked the name “Fuji”. It’s been my favorite alter-ego name for about 25-30 years now. We’ve a bit in common then. I’ve been yojimbo since I played Doom from about the same time. We share our liking of Japanese names. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/45 "2009-10-30T16:01:28Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Hearing things like this just makes me sick. > > These thing happen since the dawn of day, it is just sad that the human race is going back to it’s “savage” roots. > > I can understand, that people are not doing anything themselfs, but with modern technolgy it very simple to call the police and stay out of harms way. > > Well, USA - the land of the FREE to get gang raped, robbed & murderd - God bless America. > Here in Ireland, this would be THE News topic of the year, not just a byline in some local paper. It IS front page news in the local paper. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/46 "2009-10-30T16:08:55Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > We’ve a bit in common then. I’ve been yojimbo since I played Doom from about the same time. We share our liking of Japanese names. It was Wizardy: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord for me. 😃 And I’d gladly hold that guy’s drink while you give him a good thrashing. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/47 "2009-10-30T16:11:25Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > It IS front page news in the local paper. “Local” being the relevant word here. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/48 "2009-10-30T16:16:28Z")
Lamenting the bad behavour of ‘young folks’ is a sure sign of old age. ‘Young people today’ aren’t generally better or worse behaved than young people in any other generation. Don’t let that one news story get you down. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/49 "2009-10-30T16:24:29Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Yes, I hear Sweden where they sterilized much of their impoverished potential criminals about thirty to fourty years ago is doing quite well. You would happen to have a cite on this, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/50 "2009-10-30T16:25:30Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > It IS front page news in the local paper. What does local mean to you? The town’s local Newspaper? Did this make FOX News? CNN? I’m talking about Nation Wide Full on 24h news coverage, where it blocks out everything else. We had a much smaller incidence of gang rap here (and yes it happens here as well) and it was all over the news. This news even made our PRIME Newspapers over here [http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/us-teens-charged-in-school-gang-rape-case-432092.html](http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/us-teens-charged-in-school-gang-rape-case-432092.html) [http://www.eecho.ie/news/index.aspx?c=world&jp=eymhcwausncw](http://www.eecho.ie/news/index.aspx?c=world&jp=eymhcwausncw) ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/51 "2009-10-30T16:56:27Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > What does local mean to you? > The town’s local Newspaper? > Did this make FOX News? CNN? Google’s news feed has [over 600 news articles](http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&topic=n&ncl=dNv6LPlD2gAxtuML6aQSssEClF-OM) on the topic, and I’ve seen it on NBC’s national news and such. That enough for you? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/52 "2009-10-30T17:13:09Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > Lamenting the bad behavour of ‘young folks’ is a sure sign of old age. > > ‘Young people today’ aren’t generally better or worse behaved than young people in any other generation. > > Don’t let that one news story get you down. So, let me get this straigt… getting gang raped at a school dance is a common thing and not to worry about? And this is normal practice everywhere? I can’t remember hearing this ever happening in a school as such, but maybe I just live in the wrong country for this to happen. But maybe stealing an apple or throwing a stone is the same thing as a gang rape with a live audience. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/53 "2009-10-30T17:49:40Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > Google’s news feed has [over 600 news articles](http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&topic=n&ncl=dNv6LPlD2gAxtuML6aQSssEClF-OM) on the topic, and I’ve seen it on NBC’s national news and such. That enough for you? Well, I was told that it was on the frontpage of the local Newspaper. But yes, getting on NBC is big enough… is it? So they really analized it there, really… a fully 10 seconds, right? The whole nation is talking about it? ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/54 "2009-10-30T18:03:46Z")
> [@chique](#): > > Modern (2009) American society is better than any society has ever been (witness our rock-bottom violent crime rates). > [@chique](#): > > And, yet, not a week goes by that I don’t read an article about some outrage that happened an 8 or 15 or 25 hour drive from where I live. Maybe the US society still has a long way to go… Things like this do not happen everywhere else, with such a regularity in a 1st world country. But maybe a new classification must be found, like 1st world country with 3rd world behaviour. > [@chique](#): > > Do I feel for rape victims? Sure. Do I feel for THIS PARTICULAR rape victim? No, not really; in fact, I neither know nor am I related to her and I really don’t give a shit about her. A bunch of stupid kids did a really bad and stupid thing. It happens EVERY DAY but, for some reason, this particular story hit the news. Why? I neither know nor care; I can only assume that some producer decided this particular story is sexier than a bunch of UN workers getting offed by the Taliban in a place where billions of your tax dollars have been spent in the last 8 years. > > Something like 4,000 children under 18 died today from diarrhea. DIARRHEA. A condition those of us who imbibe get every Saturday and/or Sunday morning, 4,000 kids die from every day because their water sucks. Why on earth should I spend any energy whatsoever bemoaning the fate of victims of rare and random occurrences while multitudes more die every hour from something you, personally, can kill off with a bottle of Gatorade and a greasy breakfast? I’m guessing that you are not talking about the US or any other 1st world country, more like 3rd world. But is this a reason for it being ok to have a gang rape? If this is so “not my business” we might have a party with your ass some day, since “who” cares anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/55 "2009-10-30T18:05:17Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Well, I was told that it was on the frontpage of the local Newspaper. > > But yes, getting on NBC is big enough… is it? So they really analized it there, really… a fully 10 seconds, right? The whole nation is talking about it? It is front page in all Bay Area papers, not just Richmond, and it was in the Times yesterday also. However, I don’t think the girl was a blonde, so Nancy Grace won’t be touching it. It happened in a fairly dark and out of the way place on campus, so I think few people would be just passing by without being invited. Someone who was called 911, which was how they caught at least some of the perps. I’ll also mention that fencing to secure the campus, which had been requested for some time, never got put in. I don’t know the exact excuse, but with money being yanked from schools left and right, I’m sure it was considered a lower priority than keeping teachers. ---
**Author:** ![Milossarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Milossarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milossarian)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/56 "2009-10-30T18:22:49Z")
> [@chique](#): > > While our soldiers occasionally are arraigned on abhorrent charges, our society no longer views rape and pillage as “de riguer en la guerre”. Not to get off-topic, but was there some time I’m unaware of in America’s modern history when our society viewed rape and pillage as _de riguer en la guerre_? As for our soldiers “occasionally arraigned on abhorrent charges,” we’ve had nearly 200,000 pairs of boots on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade. I’d be willing to lay money that the crime rate, and violent crime rate, of said soldiers is less by far than that for a similarly sized American city. As for the topic at hand, I concur with many – the bystanders who did nothing but watch is the most disturbing part of this for me. We’ll always have barbarian criminal thugs; and just need to put them away before they can hurt too many people. Where was the person in the crowd who thought this was wrong, and acted to do something about it? It’s incomprehensible to me. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/57 "2009-10-30T18:36:31Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Ha. What a crock of shit. Better at… what, exactly? War? Poverty? Violent crime? OK - I’ll give you those. But I can think of a dozen other countries off the top of my head that I’d rather live in than the USA. > > If you think American crime rates are “rock-bottom” as compared to other industrialized nations, then you’re out of your fucking mind. Ewww, that really is a crap sentence, isn’t it? I was tired when I wrote it and went to bed immediately after I posted; I can’t remember what I was thinking about when I typed it so am unable to clarify, sorry. But that’s the only sentence I’ll retract from that post; I’m still pretty happy with the rest of it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/58 "2009-10-30T18:37:59Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > It IS front page news in the local paper. This story also got a long segment on the local [public media radio station](http://www.kqed.org/radio/) Thursday morning. The officer they were interviewing is confident they will convict those who taped it under anti-child porn laws. He made a big deal out of bystanders, and those he referred to as “secondary participants”. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/59 "2009-10-30T19:49:33Z")
> [@Milossarian](#): > > Not to get off-topic, but was there some time I’m unaware of in America’s modern history when our society viewed rape and pillage as _de riguer en la guerre_? > > As for our soldiers “occasionally arraigned on abhorrent charges,” we’ve had nearly 200,000 pairs of boots on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan for nearly a decade. I’d be willing to lay money that the crime rate, and violent crime rate, of said soldiers is less by far than that for a similarly sized American city. > > As for the topic at hand, I concur with many – the bystanders who did nothing but watch is the most disturbing part of this for me. We’ll always have barbarian criminal thugs; and just need to put them away before they can hurt too many people. > > Where was the person in the crowd who thought this was wrong, and acted to do something about it? It’s incomprehensible to me. Well, Europe and North America took a long time stopping wartime pillage, looting, and rape when it broke out during the Yugoslavian wars of dissolution in the 90s. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686/60 "2009-10-30T20:32:36Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I found it astounding that there were so many onlookers, and not one of them stepped back out of view and called 911. Even if the police took a few minutes to get there, an event that takes over 2 hours would have been shortened considerably. No excuse, but this took place in Richmond, near San Francisco, a pretty brutal area by all accounts. These kids may not have even been taught to call the cops in case of emergency, lest they be doubted or arrested themselves (especially if they were drinking or doing drugs). They may have also feared repercussions from snitching. Plus someone mentioned the bystander effect. Part fo the tragedy may be that, once witnesses do talk on the record (if they haven’t already), their sheer number may be the only thing that gets this girl any justice. If this had happened behind closed doors, at a party in an apartment rather than on a park bench while waiting for her father to give her a ride, she may not have been so ‘lucky.’ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/entertaining-two-hour-rape/515686.md?page=4)